Windows 11 sucks

[Cloggie]

I am just in the process of converting to Mac...the new M1 chips are a wonder and while we all feel a little constrained under the walled garden that is Apple, I finally have decided that I no longer want to fight to make my technology work....all my Apple stuff just "works".

So, my most excellent Dell 7480 will remain on Win 10 for the couple of things that I need that are Windows only (like my Motec software), but everything else is going to the Mac.

There will be a Microsoft burning party at my house this summer, where I will consign to the flames all my Windows discs including an original Office 95 floppy set and numerous other products. I intend to dance around the flames like a wild man, accompanied by my wife and neighbours.....

Because of my work reasons. I am putting Office on the Mac, but I am leaning towards not using it anymore other than for archival/historical stuff.

D.

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

What were window's peak version(s)?

7?

98 was good, ME sucked, XP was good, Vista sucked, 7 was decent, 8 sucked, 10 is OK, no opinion on 11 yet, but following the trend it doesn't look good. At least not yet anyway.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by flipper35

98 was good, ME sucked, XP was good, Vista sucked, 7 was decent, 8 sucked, 10 is OK, no opinion on 11 yet, but following the trend it doesn't look good. At least not yet anyway.

It is definitely good on an alternating basis. The "cartoonish" interface started with Windows 8 with the "Tiles".

I remember they changed things around for Vista from XP. Windows 7 they restored the primary interface.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

And it does not play at all with Apple's new HEIC file format. Apple loves new and improved, and does not care one whit about interoperability with the 90% of the rest of the computer world.

That's not Adobe, that's Windows.

You just have to be on Windows 18.09 or later and install this from MSFT.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/heif-image-extensions/9pmmsr1cgpwg?SilentAuth=1&activetab=pivot:regionofsystemrequirementstab

HEIC/F is not new, been the Apple standard for 5 years now.

Great format.

[GH85Carrera]

That is just part of the "fix" for HEIF. I have to pay money to make HEIF work on my system. Screw Apple and the donkey they rode in on. I refuse to pay a penny to use a file format that does nothing for me. I will stick with the free formats.

[mjohnson]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

We pay for the full boat Photoshop and need it regularly. I just cuss when I just screwed by the file size limit. Photoshop will open a humongous tiff or JPG file our mapping software creates, but it will not save it except in a Photoshop proprietary file format that is useless to the rest of the world.

Lots of other programs in the aerial photography world will use and work with crazy large files, but the preeminent photo editing software will not save a file in the standard file formats.

And it does not play at all with Apple's new HEIC file format. Apple loves new and improved, and does not care one whit about interoperability with the 90% of the rest of the computer world.

Consider some of the scientific apps as a pass-through. I'm using ImageJ/FIJI to do radiography analysis with some huge files - it's free and there's a big user base because they're actually bio-focused. Every uni out there apparently uses it, and it's very flexible/open source.

I'm bound (stockholm syndrome or just iron chains?) to the photoshop for personal stuff but things are rapidly getting less fun...

[M.D. Holloway]

MS 11 doesn't like older version of Excel, PwtPt, or Word - i have nothing but problems with 11 and every tie i revert back to 10, the following month my auto upgrade tries to assimilate me back into the collective

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

That is just part of the "fix" for HEIF. I have to pay money to make HEIF work on my system. Screw Apple and the donkey they rode in on. I refuse to pay a penny to use a file format that does nothing for me. I will stick with the free formats.

If you want or need to use the video functionality the format is capable of.

But that's like plenty of other CODECs, the proprietary ones typically come with a licensing cost.

It's not something unique to Apple, it's the way the industry works.

But if you don't feel the value proposition is there for your needs then keep doing what you are doing, not using it.

The idea that something you have no need for costs money shouldn't upset you.

[GH85Carrera]

The only reason I care about HIEF is some of our customers using an iPhone send a picture from their phone. Apple just changed the default photo to HIEF and unless the phone user changes it back to JPG we can't open the file. 99.99% of our clients are smart enough to send the data to us in a DWG, LAS, or a shape file, and that works great. The few idiots that send a screen capture of their phones are the very minor issue.

We work will lots of file formats only used in maps, like Mr. Sid and JPG2000, and HEIF is just not a player in our business. It just pops up on occasion like a pimple on my nose, just another annoyance.

The only videos we ever make are from our 3D point clouds of an area. We can rotate the view to any angle and do a "fly through" of the area. It is mostly for showing what can be done and MP4 format works fine for that.

We do work with rather large images.



This is not the largest area we have done, they get a lot bigger.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

What were window's peak version(s)?

7?

I haven't used anything since 7. In my opinion, 7 was a peak if not the peak. Vista was also very good IME. XP was decent, but not as good as Vista IME. I heard that ME sucked and skipped it. Win 98 wasn't great, but 98 SE (second edition) was pretty decent and the best version until XP came out.

Originally Posted by flipper35

98 was good, ME sucked, XP was good, Vista sucked, 7 was decent, 8 sucked, 10 is OK, no opinion on 11 yet, but following the trend it doesn't look good. At least not yet anyway.

Pretty good list, but for me, 7>Vista>XP. Vista was pretty good, better than XP, but not quite as good as 7. I stopped at 7. I had no interest in going to 8 or 10, and after many years of using Windows (and experimenting with Linux off and on), swapped to MacOS. I'm happy with the change on several levels.

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

That's not Adobe, that's Windows.

You just have to be on Windows 18.09 or later and install this from MSFT.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/heif-image-extensions/9pmmsr1cgpwg?SilentAuth=1&activetab=pivot:regionofsystemrequirementstab

HEIC/F is not new, been the Apple standard for 5 years now.

Great format.

So, it is supportable in Windows, just not by default which is not surprising.

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

That is just part of the "fix" for HEIF. I have to pay money to make HEIF work on my system. Screw Apple and the donkey they rode in on. I refuse to pay a penny to use a file format that does nothing for me. I will stick with the free formats.

It sounds to me like the problem isn't Apple, it's the customers.