Windows 11 sucks

[red-beard]

I bought a new laptop for Mrs. Beard when she came along on a business trip. It has Windows 11. I set her up and everything seemed OK.

We get home and I decided that since her new Laptop was Windows 11, I'd upgrade my Gen 6 Lenovo X1 Carbon to Windows 11.

Task bar is half missing (All the internet links I use most commonly)
Everything is further made cartoonish (Office 2003 looks way more professional than the present incarnation)

Can you revert back? Yep. I pressed the revert button and back to Windows 10, including the startup full screen "Please upgrade to Windows 11".

Why change the user interface? If it is working, why? My mother is 88 and can't handle change. It was a major problem going from Windows 7 to Windows 10, even though they LOOK and ACT the same.

And why move to this cartoonish look? It just doesn't make sense.

I read that originally you could update to 11 and then have the "Classic" Windows 10 look with some registry changes. And then Microsquish eliminated that!

[id10t]

Just wait until it starts showing adverts on the start menu...

[cabmandone]

Look at it this way, someday you'll look back fondly on Win 11.

[island911]

Microsoft brings out new releases to make everyone appreciate the previous version. edit: Nick beat me to it. ^

Kidding, of course. MSFT is simply slowly following the evil control of google product.

In the future, you will control nothing and will be happy.

[Evans, Marv]

^^^^^^ Yep. Every new version makes you look back fondly on older versions.

[GH85Carrera]

I changed to 11 and I know it is not just coming, but support for 10 will go away in a few more years. You can make 11 look like 10 if you want. I just left it alone. Everything worked fine for my system. It does take some time to adjust or delete some of the stupid apps.

My system is 100% business and I do not now or ever want to play games, and this system is the not remotely a laptop. Win 11 seems convinced all users are laptop users playing games and syncing everything to their phones.

Microsoft so much needs a "setup" for business desktop computers and no games.

[island911]

Windows 11 Enterprise? Professional?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/business/compare-windows-11

[masraum]

Originally Posted by red-beard

I bought a new laptop for Mrs. Beard when she came along on a business trip. It has Windows 11. I set her up and everything seemed OK.

We get home and I decided that since her new Laptop was Windows 11, I'd upgrade my Gen 6 Lenovo X1 Carbon to Windows 11.

Task bar is half missing (All the internet links I use most commonly)
Everything is further made cartoonish (Office 2003 looks way more professional than the present incarnation)

Can you revert back? Yep. I pressed the revert button and back to Windows 10, including the startup full screen "Please upgrade to Windows 11".

Why change the user interface? If it is working, why? My mother is 88 and can't handle change. It was a major problem going from Windows 7 to Windows 10, even though they LOOK and ACT the same.

And why move to this cartoonish look? It just doesn't make sense.

I read that originally you could update to 11 and then have the "Classic" Windows 10 look with some registry changes. And then Microsquish eliminated that!

I'm guessing they are trying to make things seem more like cell phones and appeal to young people.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I changed to 11 and I know it is not just coming, but support for 10 will go away in a few more years. You can make 11 look like 10 if you want. I just left it alone. Everything worked fine for my system. It does take some time to adjust or delete some of the stupid apps.

My system is 100% business and I do not now or ever want to play games, and this system is the not remotely a laptop. Win 11 seems convinced all users are laptop users playing games and syncing everything to their phones.

Microsoft so much needs a "setup" for business desktop computers and no games.

Originally Posted by island911

Windows 11 Enterprise? Professional?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/business/compare-windows-11

While I don't do Windows (I prefer Freedom with Linux or BSD) I've wondered about the various Windows licenses and if there is room for a business to offer home users/small businesses the opportunity to join their domain and be administered in an Enterprise style for $20-30/mo per computer....

[Por_sha911]

You'd think they would have learned their lesson from Win 8.

What aggravates me is I can't "own" Office but have to pay rent to use it every year.

[hcoles]

I think there may still be a way to get Student Office. That's what I have. I don't have to pay yearly. I recently reloaded W10 so I don't know re. W11 but I think yes - they want it to be like a cell phone.

[GH85Carrera]

We are the definition of a small business, two guys, both partners in the business. No employees.

We have to use Windows 10 or 11 Pro to run some of the mapping programs we own, or more accurately lease for many thousands of dollars per year. They require the Pro version, and we have 11 or 12 computers total between the two of us.

We don't need an IT guy, and just can't justify hiring one for the few tasks that it would be nice to have an expert advice on hand.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by id10t

While I don't do Windows (I prefer Freedom with Linux or BSD) I've wondered about the various Windows licenses and if there is room for a business to offer home users/small businesses the opportunity to join their domain and be administered in an Enterprise style for $20-30/mo per computer....

You'll go broke supporting home users at $30.00 per month.

[Evans, Marv]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

What aggravates me is I can't "own" Office but have to pay rent to use it every year.

Ha! I have a copy of the 2007 version on CD. Works fine for my needs. It's free until I don't need it anymore.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

You'd think they would have learned their lesson from Win 8.

What aggravates me is I can't "own" Office but have to pay rent to use it every year.

Lots of software is going to use their model of rent the software forever. Photoshop started that long ago. More and more programs will get on the bandwagon of rent it, never own it BS, especially the bigger more dominant packages.

One of my old computers was built back in the early days of Win 7. In fact I had to install Vista when I first built it, and upgrade to 7, it has 10 on it now. It is really slow after all the years, and has an old i5 CPU. I have some software we bought back when they came on multiple CDs. Some of those software packages cost mega thousands of dollars and only do a few tasks I need on occasion. So I just get patient, and keep using an antique (for a computer) only because I refuse to pay thousands per year forever to have access to the new stuff.

[red-beard]

I still use an ancient version of Adobe Acrobat (ver 9) because it works and I paid for it. Same with Visio. I have the new version, but the old version is simpler to use (2003).

My mother and father are still using Office 2003 because it is paid. Office 2003 looks more professional than the present version. Windows 10 looks more professional than Windows 11.

I don't understand the dumbing down of this software and changes to the interface. I can deal with it. But people like my 88 yr mother have a very hard time with these frequent changes.

[island911]

For certain, the biggest competition that successful software providers have is their own past product.

So they find ways to ruin the past product with things like "will not be supported..." - oh look, functionality is broken...

Any box tied to the interwebs is highly susceptible to sudden instability.

[mjohnson]

Originally Posted by island911

So they find ways to ruin the past product with things like "will not be supported..." - oh look, functionality is broken...

After steadfastly refusing to go "cloud" with the Adobe imaging apps - when I moved to a new machine, POOF, my old Lightroom license is unavailable now and can't be moved. Still got PS (for now), but geesh, we users are getting used!

And every MS Office "improvement" seems to degrade every old (as in >40y) person's ability to get things done.

(shakes cane at the sky and yells at clouds)

[GH85Carrera]

We pay for the full boat Photoshop and need it regularly. I just cuss when I just screwed by the file size limit. Photoshop will open a humongous tiff or JPG file our mapping software creates, but it will not save it except in a Photoshop proprietary file format that is useless to the rest of the world.

Lots of other programs in the aerial photography world will use and work with crazy large files, but the preeminent photo editing software will not save a file in the standard file formats.

And it does not play at all with Apple's new HEIC file format. Apple loves new and improved, and does not care one whit about interoperability with the 90% of the rest of the computer world.

[Tervuren]

What were window's peak version(s)?

7?