We need a new gun thread here.

[jyl]

Was supposed to take a friend to the range, she wants to "learn to shoot". I don't think she actually wants to become a shooter, suspect she wants a gun for personal/home defense. Teaching is not something I typically do. Decided she's going to start with a 22LR rifle. Pulled my childhood Remington single-shot bolt action 22LR rifle from storage, added a Marlin 39A 22LR lever rifle. Figure I can teach her safety and trigger/sight better and more safely/less stressfully with 22 long guns than handing her a Glock to wave around. If I have time, I'll even go get some 22 shorts.

[Brando]

jyl - that's the best approach in my opinion. Start with a smaller caliber rifle and work up to larger calibers and handguns. Sadly, some people realize "I don't like this". Especially if they're thinking of owning/carrying for personal defense.

Side note: I think I need to buy a Glock. Apparently finding threaded/compensated barrels for anything other than a Glock, H&K, or Sig Sauer is damn near impossible. So my options are to find a machinist who can add 1/2in to my barrel and machine it, or just buy a Sig P320 Spectre Comp.

I am leaning towards the latter, my wife is leaning towards evicting me.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Solamar

Pair of Diane Mod 5 Luftpistoles

Wow. Another first for me. Homework time!

Originally Posted by jyl

Pulled my childhood Remington single-shot bolt action 22LR rifle from storage, added a Marlin 39A 22LR lever rifle. Figure I can teach her safety and trigger/sight better and more safely/less stressfully with 22 long guns than handing her a Glock to wave around. If I have time, I'll even go get some 22 shorts.

I have a 39A Carbine my Grandfather gave me when I was 12. I have so many memories wrapped up in that little .22.

We also generally start new folks with a .22 rifle then move on to .22 pistols since I have a few, including a Ruger Single Six revolver that everyone loves.

As you have alluded to, over-horsing new shooters is a bad idea.

[aigel]

A good budget Sig 9mm would be the P6. It holds few rounds, but certainly adequate for plinking and self defense and has a nice grip as a result of the single stack magazine.

In CA lower capacity pistols make sense, why have a master grip setup holding 17 round magazines if all you get to insert is a 10 round magazine?

I am saving up for a Swiss SIG.

https://gundigest.com/article/sig-p6-remembering-a-west-german-icon-of-the-cold-war

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Brando

jyl - that's the best approach in my opinion. Start with a smaller caliber rifle and work up to larger calibers and handguns. Sadly, some people realize "I don't like this". Especially if they're thinking of owning/carrying for personal defense.

Side note: I think I need to buy a Glock. Apparently finding threaded/compensated barrels for anything other than a Glock, H&K, or Sig Sauer is damn near impossible. So my options are to find a machinist who can add 1/2in to my barrel and machine it, or just buy a Sig P320 Spectre Comp.

I am leaning towards the latter, my wife is leaning towards evicting me.

https://www.glockstore.com/search?keywords=threaded%20barrel

BTW I started on a .22 bolt action on my high school rifle team.

[A930Rocket]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

https://www.glockstore.com/search?keywords=threaded%20barrel

BTW I started on a .22 bolt action on my high school rifle team.

What do you thread on the end of the barrel? A silencer?

[Brando]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

What do you thread on the end of the barrel? A silencer?

That is correct. Or a compensator if you're a poor, like me.

[A930Rocket]

It’s been several years since I looked, but you could still buy a silencer with a permit or tax? I don’t recall exactly, but they were a few hundred dollars?

And the compensator was to reduce barrel lift?

[Por_sha911]

PSA: Do some research on Glockstore customer service before you hand them your credit card #.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

The geometry, leverage, hammer fall, and all of that are superior in those double actions, leading to inherently better trigger pulls. I wonder what's up with your 686...

It's very heavy. DA is perfect but if I change the spring I risk light strikes when in SA.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

It's very heavy. DA is perfect but if I change the spring I risk light strikes when in SA.

If you are getting reliable ignition when firing double action, lightening the hammer spring will not result in light strikes when firing it in single action mode. When you cock the hammer to fire it single action, the hammer goes much further back, putting more tension on the hammer spring, than it does when firing it double action.

Try this - making sure it is not loaded, cock the hammer. Note how far back it rests. Then ease it back down to its rest position and use the trigger to work the hammer double action. You will notice the hammer releases when it is only about 2/3 as far back as when it is cocked for single action. So, if it falls hard enough in double action, it will always fall hard enough in single action.

You can play with mainspring tension on these without having to buy a new mainspring. There is an adjustment screw on the lower front of the grip frame, where your pinky would rest. It's hidden by the grips. Most of these I've seen come bottomed out, at full tension, out of the box. That's usually not necessary. Try backing that screw out a quarter, maybe half a turn at a time and see what happens. You will eventually start getting light strikes in DA mode. When you do, go back in a bit.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

If you are getting reliable ignition when firing double action, lightening the hammer spring will not result in light strikes when firing it in single action mode. When you cock the hammer to fire it single action, the hammer goes much further back, putting more tension on the hammer spring, than it does when firing it double action.

Try this - making sure it is not loaded, cock the hammer. Note how far back it rests. Then ease it back down to its rest position and use the trigger to work the hammer double action. You will notice the hammer releases when it is only about 2/3 as far back as when it is cocked for single action. So, if it falls hard enough in double action, it will always fall hard enough in single action.

You can play with mainspring tension on these without having to buy a new mainspring. There is an adjustment screw on the lower front of the grip frame, where your pinky would rest. It's hidden by the grips. Most of these I've seen come bottomed out, at full tension, out of the box. That's usually not necessary. Try backing that screw out a quarter, maybe half a turn at a time and see what happens. You will eventually start getting light strikes in DA mode. When you do, go back in a bit.

Thanks Jeff. BTW I reversed SA and DA. Doh!

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

It’s been several years since I looked, but you could still buy a silencer with a permit or tax? I don’t recall exactly, but they were a few hundred dollars?

And the compensator was to reduce barrel lift?

You can still get a suppressor (folks are leaning away from calling them a silencer) and it takes $200 and paperwork. The folks who sell them will help you with this. I hear its taking 6-9 months.

Funny thing, I lived in Europe for 11 years and ended up getting a German Hunting License (Jagdshein) which is not easy. I would estimate that 99% of all hunters in Europe, especially Germany, use a suppressor on their guns. Everyone has them and its not an issue, and does not have the "Secret squirrel" feeling that the ATF has put on them here in America.

[Racerbvd]

[Brando]

Originally Posted by A930Rocket

It’s been several years since I looked, but you could still buy a silencer with a permit or tax? I don’t recall exactly, but they were a few hundred dollars?

And the compensator was to reduce barrel lift?

Yes, depending on the state you live in. Also, yes on the compensator.

As for my next purchase... I'm thinking Sig-Sauer P320 Spectre Comp.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

I would estimate that 99% of all hunters in Europe, especially Germany, use a suppressor on their guns.

99% in Europe? not a chance.

Silensers are ok in UK, with permit
CZ : special state, impossible to legally get
Norway, free
Sweden licensed for hunting only
Ok in Germany
NL strict licensing and special requirement must be shown ex pest control , not general hunting.
France free over the counter
Hungary banned, forget it
Poland pretty much free
in Belgium they are more illegal then anything else, along with NVG rifle scopes.
you even think of having those, you must be some kind of assasin

oh except if you put em on a PCP air gun, then its ok again

total joke


All this means, that anybody who think about driving from UK, to shoot in Germany or Poland
Cannot legally bring his silencer, unless he makes sure to avoid Belgium and Luxembourg

So Dover, Dunkirk or Calais
And drive ALL the way To Metz, to go to north of Germany



You do NOT wanna get caught with both fire arm and a silencer in Belgium as a foreign national.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by svandamme

99% in Europe? not a chance.

Silensers are ok in UK, with permit
CZ : special state, impossible to legally get
Norway, free
Sweden licensed for hunting only
Ok in Germany
NL strict licensing and special requirement must be shown ex pest control , not general hunting.
France free over the counter
Hungary banned, forget it
Poland pretty much free
in Belgium they are more illegal then anything else, along with NVG rifle scopes.
you even think of having those, you must be some kind of assasin

oh except if you put em on a PCP air gun, then its ok again

total joke


All this means, that anybody who think about driving from UK, to shoot in Germany or Poland
Cannot legally bring his silencer, unless he makes sure to avoid Belgium and Luxembourg

So Dover, Dunkirk or Calais
And drive ALL the way To Metz, to go to north of Germany



You do NOT wanna get caught with both fire arm and a silencer in Belgium as a foreign national.

So really no different than what we have to deal with traveling interstate at times.

And yes, suppressors are legal in most states, and quite a few of those they are legal for hunting. $200 to $1500 for the suppressor depending on how good it is and what it is rated for plus $200 tax stamp and forever wait. Pick a SOT with a range that allows conjugal visits.

My stamp collecting buddy has a few of 'em to go with his MGs, the integrally suppressed 9mm AR/M16 upper is a lot of fun, as is his Bowers Vers30 on my .300 blackout and 762x39 bolt guns. However, my Mossberg 44us shooting CCI Long CBs is just as quiet as his 10/22 w/ GemTech Mist shooting CCI SV.

And of course the ATF being the ATF, an integral suppressor on an air rifle or black powder is not controlled item....

[Bill Douglas]

In New Zealand most, by that I mean 75%, of rifles have suppressors.

No permit or tax, you just buy them and screw them on the end of the barrel.

They tend to make the gun shoot slightly differently. My .17HMR shoots more accurately wit one, and my identical (other than calibre) .22 shoots WAY worse.

[svandamme]

could very well be just a function of ammo/barrel/velocities.
22 and HMR is already finicky in general without mufflers.. could very well be that you can get the 22 to become accurate with muffler if you use different 22 ammo

I had a Danish TR 22 rifle.. super long barrel.. I used to put 22 Zimmers in there
no silencer needed.. the thing was dead quiet without one , and ragged hole accurate out to 25 meters

the impact was noisier then the shot.

[john70t]

(from the old gun thread)