Everyone needs to have only EVs...

[ZAMIRZ]

island, it's pretty cool that we're both still here. I don't post as much as I used to, but I remember your posts from back when I joined this forum as a teenager. I'm coming up on 40 in a few years, crazy. Yes, we've got a lot of cool features in the R1. Jam-packed with stuff to make your life easier if you're into adventuring.

Above a certain price point, I only recommend EVs to people who ask me what car to get (keep in mind my social circle is almost entirely California-based and these are mostly people who like to drive a nice car, but aren't necessarily "into cars"). If you can afford a Tesla Model 3 or Y, there is no better car on the market in that price point and segment. If you can afford a standard Model S, even better. In the high premium segments, our Rivian R1T and R1S are excellent, as is the Tesla Model S Plaid.

I'm not getting rid of my ICE vehicles. I have my 911, but I also have a few motorcycles that I ride more often than I drive the Rivian. A friend of mine came by with a Zero the other day. She works there and they have a demo fleet so she brought one by to let me try it out. I hopped on and went around some twisty roads by my house. It was fine, and it has its own character with a motor and gear whine noise, but so much of the motorcycle riding experience is in the combustion engine and the mechanical interaction of changing gears. An EV moto is not for me (or at least not right now).

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by bugstrider

Let’s not even breach the idea of what better way for a government to stop movement by shutting down the inadequate electrical grid we have in play currently.


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This is what it is all about... Controlling or limiting the mobility of the masses...

It will become more apparent in time...

[MMARSH]

Hey Amir,

Wish you had posted before went up north. I would've loved to check it out. I haven't put hands on one in person . I'm very interested in the SUV version. When will that start production? Also, can you flat tow the Rivian, I've heard conflicting info. I would like to flat tow it behind my motorhome and replace our Jeep.

I agree, I have zero plans to get rid of all of my ICE vehicles. Heading out on a 10 day motorcycle trip next week and can't imagine having to deal with arranging my adventure around charging stops and range. No thanks.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by 911SauCy

This is what it is all about... Controlling or limiting the mobility of the masses...

It will become more apparent in time...

Will this be before or after they kick down our door and take our firearms.......

[island911]

Originally Posted by MMARSH

Will this be before or after they kick down our door and take our firearms.......

SauCy is not wrong. There does exist a sizable group of people who pursue that level of control. Already Californians have been asked to not charge their EV's. 'Smart home" devices give utilities control over devices.

[ZAMIRZ]

Originally Posted by MMARSH

Hey Amir,

Wish you had posted before went up north. I would've loved to check it out. I haven't put hands on one in person . I'm very interested in the SUV version. When will that start production? Also, can you flat tow the Rivian, I've heard conflicting info. I would like to flat tow it behind my motorhome and replace our Jeep.

I agree, I have zero plans to get rid of all of my ICE vehicles. Heading out on a 10 day motorcycle trip next week and can't imagine having to deal with arranging my adventure around charging stops and range. No thanks.

I moved to the bay area 5 years ago, before I worked for Rivian. I moved up here because I got a job at NIO, a chinese EV manufacturer that's also building cool products. Although not for the US (for now). I seem to recall you're in the SF Valley? I stay in the valley when I come to L.A. If you're around maybe we can meet for lunch next time if I can get away from the family.

The R1S is in production now, and we're delivering them. You'll start to see them soon. I have a deposit on an S, but I really like owning a pickup truck (never had one before). I might walk away from the S, depends on when I get the call. You cannot flat-tow the R1S or T unfortunately.

[ZAMIRZ]

Speaking of inadequate electric grid, I had to bite the bullet on a tesla powerwall because of PG&E shutting the power off constantly here in the mountains where I live. As soon as the wind picks up a little they turn it off for fear of starting a fire. God forbid they invest in updating the infrastructure.

Good news is, between the powerwall and my solar setup I'm pretty much cost neutral and the grid going down doesn't really affect me much since I can still charge the truck (albeit at a slower pace than usual). Can't restrict my mobility if I ain't dependent on them for it

Having to go to a gas station to pump fuel that's transported from the other side of the planet on the other hand...I suspect there are more ways the government can disrupt that supply chain.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by ZAMIRZ

I moved to the bay area 5 years ago, before I worked for Rivian. I moved up here because I got a job at NIO, a chinese EV manufacturer that's also building cool products. Although not for the US (for now). I seem to recall you're in the SF Valley? I stay in the valley when I come to L.A. If you're around maybe we can meet for lunch next time if I can get away from the family.

The R1S is in production now, and we're delivering them. You'll start to see them soon. I have a deposit on an S, but I really like owning a pickup truck (never had one before). I might walk away from the S, depends on when I get the call. You cannot flat-tow the R1S or T unfortunately.

I'm sorry I was trying to say, I wish you had posted your offer to see your truck before we went up north last weekend. I would've tried tried to meet up... I actually live in Acton. So definitely next time your down in LA, we can meet up.
Bummer about the flat towing....

[upsscott]

Originally Posted by dad911

If I had only an EV during the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, I would have been screwed. No power for a week, had to drive for food, water, and to find cell service. Gas was scarce, but we found some.

I'm a hybrid fan, love our Rav4.

I agree with you here. Hybrid for me as well. I’m considering the Jeep Wrangler hybrid. It’s a plug in hybrid so it gets 30 or so miles on a full electric charge or you can go into hybrid mode or full dinosaur mode with a 2.4l turbo.

[911boost]

Hey Amir, I have seen a few of those around and they do look like cool tech. Unfortunately my 12,500 pound trailer makes those not an option as I need a diesel here at altitude.

On a side note, I hope your job was not on the design team

[RobFrost]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Wind and solar are never going to produce enough power for the needs of a nation wide fleet of EVs.

A set of 30 300W panels on a house will output up to 10kW of power, giving you 80kWh in an 8 hour day, which will fully charge two vehicles. Of course some places will have more or less sunlight, but the maths suggests there is plenty of solar energy available to cover our needs, given current population levels.



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[RobFrost]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

if you are spending more than 50k buying a car, and you arnt buying a model 3 performance pack, you arnt thinking straight.

EVs are just better cars, faster.

EVs are much slower, if you include refuelling time.

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[Vintage Racer]

You dudes are dreaming if you think China and Russia will ever agree to 'lower emissions'. It's not going to happen.

I plan to keep my gas cars running for a long time.

[island911]

Originally Posted by RobFrost

A set of 30 300W panels on a house will output up to 10kW of power, ..

wouldn't that be 9kW? 30x300=9,000

And do 300W panels actually give 300W throughout an 8 hr day? And I thought people charged at night. - drove during the day.

Where's Redbeard.. :-/

[RobFrost]

Originally Posted by island911

wouldn't that be 9kW? 30x300=9,000

And do 300W panels actually give 300W throughout an 8 hr day? And I thought people charged at night. - drove during the day.

Where's Redbeard.. :-/

A. Rounding error. B. You store in batteries and needn't charge at the time of harvesting. C. Many won't use a full charge every day.

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[island911]

hmmm... so now we are buying and installing a battery bank the size of the car's?

And how often does that huge battery bank need replacing?

Sounds expensive with a large foot print. :-/

Around these parts we have lots of trees and hydro electric. Then again, the prices on that keep getting jacked up.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by island911

I dunno that people are getting worked up, but will point out the title of this thread is Everyone needs to have only EVs..
That is impractical.

Not according to some celebrities and politicians.

[island911]

Yeah, they both make big bank selling fantasies.

[chapo]

We have had solar and battery back up installed on custom homes. 8 year old install, batteries are shot, out of warranty, 38k plus recycling fee to replace. Then the discussion starts about the weak solar panels and how much better the new ones are. doesn't pencil out for the average consumer