Everyone needs to have only EVs...

[Por_sha911]

...until something goes wrong

Supply shortages could mean delays in power restoration after storms

Basic essentials to restore power, including transformers, are in short supply. Transformers typically take three to six months to import, but the delivery date is two to six years from now because of supply chain issues.

"Transformers are a critical component for electric restoration and electric delivery. Some manufacturers we're not even taking new orders for transformers because they have such a backlog already," said Amy Zubaly, the Executive Director for Florida Municipal Electric Association.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/supply-shortages-could-mean-delays-power-restoration-after-storms

[OK-944]

Yup...soon we're all gonna have EV's and soon after this the availability of materials needed to make batteries (and etc.?) will be zilch!

Hey...nothing against EV's and my wife and I are seriously discussing buying one at some point (hoping for a new generation of quick-charge long range batteries before we do this), but I do get a little nervous about whether or not the materials supply and charging infrastructure will keep up.

[pwd72s]

How about a law that EV's can only be made using solar or wind power for the entire manufacturing process...from mining the raw materials through the production line? Should only be delivered to off the grid dealerships via EV trucks.

[Seahawk]

The number of cars sold in this country is staggering:



Here are the EV numbers:





That is just the US. Anyone see the real issues?

[Racerbvd]

[sc_rufctr]

Published 2 years ago but still 100% relevant. A whole bunch of people have been duped...

What's best for the planet?: Buy an older car and learn how to fix it yourself.

[dad911]

If I had only an EV during the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy, I would have been screwed. No power for a week, had to drive for food, water, and to find cell service. Gas was scarce, but we found some.

I'm a hybrid fan, love our Rav4.

[Jeff Higgins]

[Evans, Marv]

The excess generation from our solar panels pretty much covers the charging for our EV. We're still tied to the grid though, so if the power goes off, we can't charge the car. I keep the van mostly with a full tank, though.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

...until something goes wrong



https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/supply-shortages-could-mean-delays-power-restoration-after-storms

The key point is that we're importing the damn things!

[hbueno]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

The key point is that we're importing the damn things!

Exactly. That's a current problem that is not caused by and has nothing to do with electric vehicles. But somehow it's easier to complain about electric vehicles.

The US needs to go all in on re-shoring (or whatever you call it) and stop the insanity of outsourcing everythjng. I know, I know, easier said than done.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

What's best for the planet?: Buy an older car and learn how to fix it yourself.

^^^^^this, this and this^^^^^

Less consumer consumption will save the planet and not making lots of new stuff to replace perfectly good old stuff

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

^^^^^this, this and this^^^^^

Less consumer consumption will save the planet and not making lots of new stuff to replace perfectly good old stuff

And I’ll add the ability to get parts and repair broken things like we used to be able to do.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

^^^^^this, this and this^^^^^

Less consumer consumption will save the planet and not making lots of new stuff to replace perfectly good old stuff

I am completely on board.

I have no issues with hybrid or plug ins...but imagine the scale of mining and pollution, disposal, to even make a 25% dent in new car demand. The "grid" as currently outfitted would be a mess at that level of demand as well.

I keep cars and trucks a long time...a decade or more. I buy trucks new and hang on. We bought a 2 year-old 4Runner from the Puppy and drove it for over 15 years...same with my daughters FJ Cruiser. 15 years. Tacoma? 17 years. We decided to buy a new 4Runner a few years ago because we got a great deal and we will drive it for at least a decade.

My 2015 Tundra will be the last 1/2 ton I own...135k on it and it is as tight as a wet suit. To replace it would be over $60k...and for what? I think I paid $38k for the one I own and I choked on that.

Sorry for the rant. I pay for maintenance, btw, I am completely out of the work on cars deal because I don't want to. I still have maintenance logs on older trucks and vehicles, hundred of enteries.

Not ever again: Routine maintenance is ridiculously cheap and I, unless it is farm equipment, just won't do it.

[RANDY P]

Just bought an 05 E55, $21K. Won't buy a new car- expensive, and I believe things need to stay out of landfill.

I also like reahabing cars- win/win.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

The key point is that we're importing the damn things!

Myabe its because the govt doesn't want us producing the transformers that have nasty chemicals that harm the environment.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by RANDY P

Just bought an 05 E55, $21K. Won't buy a new car- expensive, and I believe things need to stay out of landfill.

I also like reahabing cars- win/win.

Gotta at least have the illusion of being poor for when shtf

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Gotta at least have the illusion of being poor for when shtf

When the shtf, most people will be poor because their money will be worthless due to hyper-inflation and they won't have access to basic necessities.

Worst of all, Tabs will be running around in the street laughing at you and gleefully saying "I told you so" (sort of like he is proactively doing now but only far worse).

[bugstrider]

Ok, let me start by admitting that we have a 2015 Chevrolet Volt (The gateway drug to full electric vehicles). My commuter (1995 GMC K1500 4x4) was killing me monthly in gas….back in 2017 when we bought the lease return. Doing simple bushokie math with the amount of miles driving since 2017, has paid for the car by the amount of gas my truck would have burned. With that out of the way, call me a hypocrite.

The Volt has served my needs well, I don’t have “range anxiety” like I would if it was only electric. Someday we might end up with a full electric but who knows. I do find it funny when EV owners do not realize that one EV has done more damage to the environment (mining, transportation, battery manufacturing, etc, including Li battery disposal) than my 95 GMC with 350K miles has done in its lifetime. All of these EV’s are transported by diesel trucks, ships and trains. So “HOW” are EVs going to save the environment?!?!?!?.

Let’s not even breach the idea of what better way for a government to stop movement by shutting down the inadequate electrical grid we have in play currently. There was a good video on what the loggers are being faced with by running the electric logging trucks in Canada and the amount of power required to charge them and their poor electric grid.

Just sayin,
Cheers


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[wdfifteen]

Congratulations on enjoying a Volt. We've had 3 (his and hers gen 1 when we were both commuting, and a gen 2 now that we're retired). We love them.

Bugs - I think this comment is nonsense - "I do find it funny when EV owners do not realize that one EV has done more damage to the environment (mining, transportation, battery manufacturing, etc, including Li battery disposal) than my 95 GMC with 350K miles has done in its lifetime."

MORE damage??
"mining" is oil extraction. Don't try to tell me there aren't issue with oil extraction.
"transportation." Don't they all have to be transported?
"battery manufacturing" as opposed to engine manufacturing?
"Li Battery disposal," batteries are being reused (they still have a good life as power supplies after the rigors of automotive use). Recycling facilities for totally worn out batteries are ramping up. Batteries aren't simply "disposed of."

Get back to me when you you have 350K on the Volt.

I don't think every vehicle ever has to be electrically powered, but for a segment of the driving public, they make perfect sense. Our way of going about serving those drivers is totally effed up in my opinion. First we need to fix our current electrical grid and then beef it up to handle the requirements of millions of electric cars. Then we need to get serious about how power is generated. We HAVE to go nuclear. Wind and solar are never going to produce enough power for the needs of a nation wide fleet of EVs. Only then do we need to start encouraging the manufacture of EV cars. We are going about this backwards and it is going to blow up in our faces.