Everyone needs to have only EVs...

[mocha07]

Here is the you tube documentary showing the options in the UK driving a Taycan on various distances,lack of charging stations that work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Hz5ViS_18

[Por_sha911]

Part of the kickback that pro EV folks are seeing is when we read things like these:
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/internal-combustion-death-blow-europe-bans-engines-2026/

https://www.motortrend.com/news/european-union-upholds-2035-internal-combustion-engine-ban/

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-pledges-end-gas-powered-federal-vehicle-purchases-by-2035-2021-12-08/

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a36292118/phasing-out-internal-combustion-engines/

[MysticLlama]

And some of us pro EV people don't really applaud the forcing or timelines, they are sold out months in advance from nearly every manufacturer, subsidies and arbitrary timeliness are pretty unnecessary.

The politics of the manner in no way makes the cars themselves as impractical as people like to get worked up about.

And to tow something long distance, use a diesel, of course an electric truck is a stupid choice.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by MysticLlama

And some of us pro EV people don't really applaud the forcing or timelines...

Unfortunately, there is a strong contingent of militant pro EV folks in the public and in governments who will wish to enforce their opinion on the public "for their own good" in yet another version of the end justifies the means. They create a bad rap for folks like yourself.

[hcoles]

Well there you have it.
Have your fun now I'd say.

[911boost]

I’m going to back the synthetic fuel Porsche is working on, this is a sports car forum after all. Go jerk off to your Teslas on one of their many forums

[MMARSH]

Oh so we can't talk off topic in the off topic discussion forum. My bad...

[island911]

Originally Posted by MysticLlama

And some of us pro EV people don't really applaud the forcing or timelines, they are sold out months in advance from nearly every manufacturer, subsidies and arbitrary timeliness are pretty unnecessary.

The politics of the manner in no way makes the cars themselves as impractical as people like to get worked up about...

I dunno that people are getting worked up, but will point out the title of this thread is Everyone needs to have only EVs..

That is impractical.

[MysticLlama]

Originally Posted by island911

I dunno that people are getting worked up, but will point out the title of this thread is Everyone needs to have only EVs..

That is impractical.

Yep.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by hcoles

Well there you have it.
Have your fun now I'd say.

whats not fun about a car that runs 11s without a sweat exactly?

if you've never driven a tesla performance, its more fun that 99% of modern cars, and puts anything not modern to shame.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by MysticLlama

And some of us pro EV people don't really applaud the forcing or timelines, they are sold out months in advance from nearly every manufacturer, subsidies and arbitrary timeliness are pretty unnecessary.

The politics of the manner in no way makes the cars themselves as impractical as people like to get worked up about.

And to tow something long distance, use a diesel, of course an electric truck is a stupid choice.

i mean not really.

im seriously considering a lightning as my tow truck for road racing, to replace my tundra.

[MMARSH]

Originally Posted by island911

I dunno that people are getting worked up, but will point out the title of this thread is Everyone needs to have only EVs..

That is impractical.

I agree, not practical for every situation.

[MysticLlama]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

i mean not really.

im seriously considering a lightning as my tow truck for road racing, to replace my tundra.

Local tracks would be fine, or lots of time for charging stops. An EV truck makes perfect sense for work trucks that have a typical radius of only so many miles, etc.

The comment was more about people that say F150 Lightnings are garbage because they have a stop a lot when towing a giant horse trailer 3000 miles. Well, yeah, that'd be real slow, wrong tool for the job.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by MysticLlama

Local tracks would be fine, or lots of time for charging stops. An EV truck makes perfect sense for work trucks that have a typical radius of only so many miles, etc.

The comment was more about people that say F150 Lightnings are garbage because they have a stop a lot when towing a giant horse trailer 3000 miles. Well, yeah, that'd be real slow, wrong tool for the job.

that use case is well under 1% of truck owners.

plus you could just rent a truck for way cheaper than driving/owning/insuring a gas/diesel truck.

[GH85Carrera]

For the VAST majority of people, a car is just a large expensive appliance to keep outside. It is a simple tool, to get in and be transported to where you want to go, when you want to go. They what it to start and stop and get them to the destination.

If I was in a big city commute for 30 minutes to an hour each way (shudder) an EV is perfect. That simply does not fit my lifestyle. I own two cars, the 911 is pure big boy toy, and I love it. The other is my get around town at any time transportation. Both have been paid for for multiple decades, and can be repaired and maintained for just a fraction of the cost of a new car payment.

In Oklahoma we produce lots of hydrocarbons locally. Our state will be one of the last to bow to the pressure from the feds to stop selling gasoline. I feel sure it will not be a problem in my lifetime.

I honestly see no point in my future where I will own an electric vehicle. My old cars are a big part of my hobbies. This weekend I have three PCA events to go to. A social event, a car show, and an autocross.

I just ordered new carpet for my EL Camino. Every 20 years I have to replace the carpet as it just wears out. Still way less than a car payment and is a cost of fractions of a cent per mile.

[ZAMIRZ]

Whew. Lots of caustic folks in this thread.

Agree with MysticLlama, lots of us EV owners and enthusiasts that are just focused on the product and the right tool for the job. Looks like others in this thread really want to attach other stuff like politics to these inanimate objects.

I've been working in the car industry my whole life and the past 8 years or so in EVs. I joined Rivian a few years ago and have had an R1T for 7 months now. It's a great truck for most of the retail buying public, folks who aren't tradesmen that rely on the full capability of a pickup. I use it mostly to take my family places, mountain biking and surf runs, camping trips, some towing, home improvement, etc. It'll smoke most anything else out there (certainly any other pickup) which is also fun. For my use-case, this truck presents the best compromise, I also helped develop it though, so that might have something to do with it

I've only taken it as far as Nevada (Lake Tahoe trips), but have heard the charging infrastructure is not so great outside California. Here we've got abundant fast charging nearly everywhere in the state. I think we'll see this trickle into the rest of the country as more people purchase EVs.

Bay Area pelican folks are welcome to check my truck out, just PM me.

A little off-roading



Ran down to L.A. to pick up my 911 last month



Typical charging stop activity when going to LA. Munching and drinking. (I feel you MMARSH)

[island911]

That is great to see Amir. ^

And those are very cool trucks. The additional impressive design features had me considering one but, meh, I have enough toys.

[Seahawk]

Again, I have zero issues with EVs, hybrids, etc...I plan on looking hard at a small hybrid truck when I sell the farm.

However, if they are now as competent as all that own them write, and I believe you, end all Federal incentives now.

[island911]

One other thought.

To me, going to an EV is like going from an iPhone to an Android device (or vise versa).

EV's require a whole new rhythm of interaction.

Some will insist that the new rhythm is the ONLY thing that should exist. (as the title of this thread says)

Yeah, I like choices. And I like the mechanical reliability of of old school gear.
Electrical systems -even the starter batteries in my cars- I see as a somewhat necessary evil. :-/
I'm so weird that on that point that I'll often park on a slope just so I can bump-start the car.
I've had a couple old Mercedes Diesels that would go and stop purely mechanically.
I find something very cool about that.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

Again, I have zero issues with EVs, hybrids, etc...I plan on looking hard at a small hybrid truck when I sell the farm.

However, if they are now as competent as all that own them write, and I believe you, end all Federal incentives now.

This. They need to stand on their own as a product.

The same thing can be said about the massive corn subsidies to turn food into fuel.