What is China really doing with Covid?

[McLovin]

I don’t follow it much, other than how it impacts economics and financial markets, but what is China really up to with its supposed “zero Covid” policy?
That might seem possible on a small island where no one comes or goes, but clearly it’s an impossibility in a huge country where thousands of people come and go into every day. It’s the equivalent of having a “zero flu” policy.
They must know that, so what are they really doing?

[Seahawk]

[Shaun @ Tru6]

What are they really doing? Creating fertile grounds for a rebellion. Actual numbers escape me, heard on BBC radio at 4AM the other day, there are something like 1700 lockdowns in the country right now. 80 whole cities and then the rest are neighborhoods, blocks even. The Shanghai lockdown was brutal. My friend who lives there was incredibly frustrated. His once booming business as a clothing manufacturer is on the brink like so many other Chinese mfgs are.

[matthewb0051]

I follow a cargo pilot on social media. She has runs to / from China on occasion. When they land they have to wear full on Tyvex suits, masks, and gloves. The airfield workers spray down the plane and items being unloaded.

Then the air crew is quarantined in the hotel until they depart. No leaving the hotel and all meals are delivered. Then it is full body suit, gloves, and mask on way back to airport. This is present day, she just posted about it over this past weekend.

Also have a former colleague that was/is in State Dept and was living in China within the last year. Total lockdown. They would get food/stuff deliveries. Lucky for him and family the USG finally pulled them out.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

I follow a cargo pilot on social media. She has runs to / from China on occasion. When they land they have to wear full on Tyvex suits, masks, and gloves. The airfield workers spray down the plane and items being unloaded.

Then the air crew is quarantined in the hotel until they depart. No leaving the hotel and all meals are delivered. Then it is full body suit, gloves, and mask on way back to airport. This is present day, she just posted about it over this past weekend.

Also have a former colleague that was/is in State Dept and was living in China within the last year. Total lockdown. They would get food/stuff deliveries. Lucky for him and family the USG finally pulled them out.

So the plan is to do that forever?
Every person that ever crosses into China from any other country (legally or illegallyj is going to be quarantined and monitored for weeks?
So Covid will remain present in the entire world, EXCEPT for in their giant country of 1.6 billion.
And, even if that were possible, why? Don’t they look around and see that the entire rest of the world is functioning normally now?
It’s bizarre, and seems like it can only be 1 of 3 things:
1) they are insanely irrational.
2) there’s some political motive or game plan
3) they know something we don’t.

[HobieMarty]

Yeah, I would go with door number 3!!!
I mean, Covid is known to have originated from China right? So, what are they trying so hard to keep out of their country, another mutant virus that they have concocted and released into the rest of the world like they did with Covid-19??? I wish very bad things on the people responsible for creating Covid-19. I'd better stop with that.

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[Rick Lee]

Mrs. Lee talks with her mom by phone once a week. Everyone there has to have an app on their phone, which monitors their movements and flags them yellow or orange or red when they've come into contact with another person who tested positive or entered some zone or another. You have to be tested all the time. If you get ordered to quarantine, they'll put a camera in front of your door. It's bad enough to have a police state, but the state can report any kind of numbers or stats they want and it's illegal to contradict them. So no one really know the real numbers.

[jyl]

The “hopeful” theory is that Xi needed to keep Covid suppressed until he sealed his takeover of the government, and now he will walk back the zero-Covid policy, while suppressing reporting of the resultant Covid epidemic and aggressively vaccinating/boosting the population with the most effective vaccines, and by doing so restore the economy to growth. That would be the logical thing to do, from a Western POV, and Western investors are desperate to believe it.

There are other theories.

Certainly Covid restrictions are an effective way to extend China’s police state and control the population, but the economic cost is very high.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by McLovin

I don’t follow it much, other than how it impacts economics and financial markets, but what is China really up to with its supposed “zero Covid” policy?
That might seem possible on a small island where no one comes or goes, but clearly it’s an impossibility in a huge country where thousands of people come and go into every day. It’s the equivalent of having a “zero flu” policy.
They must know that, so what are they really doing?

The Chinese peeps that run things like to look like their sheiße doesn't stink. They could be standing in front of a car that they were announcing while it was on fire with parts falling off and they would swear that everything was perfect.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Mrs. Lee talks with her mom by phone once a week. Everyone there has to have an app on their phone, which monitors their movements and flags them yellow or orange or red when they've come into contact with another person who tested positive or entered some zone or another. You have to be tested all the time. If you get ordered to quarantine, they'll put a camera in front of your door. It's bad enough to have a police state, but the state can report any kind of numbers or stats they want and it's illegal to contradict them. So no one really know the real numbers.

Yes yes.

The QR code via the cell phone.....


Crazy times.

[unclebilly]

I just want to know more about those hospitals that they built in 3 days… what happened to them? Are they still functioning? Presumably if they still have Covid lockdowns, they must need these hospitals still?

[Arizona_928]

One uses the term hospital and warehouse loosely...

[ADDvanced]

Originally Posted by McLovin

It’s bizarre, and seems like it can only be 1 of 3 things:
1) they are insanely irrational.
2) there’s some political motive or game plan
3) they know something we don’t.

We're going into winter here, with no masking, no distancing, and large crowded events, primarily indoors.

Be careful dudes. If there's a mutation, or some nefarious plan, it could be really bad, really quick now.

[unclebilly]

Here are my observations…

We spent 2 days at Disneyland a month or so ago. There was no social distancing there. None. Crammed in like cattle in those line ups. We didn’t get Covid.

It seems like more than 50% of those who still choose to wear masks out in public are Asian. Is this because the Asian media has them convinced that there are risks that the rest of us don’t know about, or do they know something we don’t?

[Tervuren]

For east Asians I've observed it in vacation spots going back to the bird flu.

Originally Posted by unclebilly

It seems like more than 50% of those who still choose to wear masks out in public are Asian.

[sc_rufctr]

Face masks have been normal in Japan for many decades.

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Face masks have been normal in Japan for many decades.

Agreed but that is due to poor air quality… not really a problem in Calgary, Canada.

[sc_rufctr]

Our local Asians also tend to wear masks. Maybe it's a cultural thing?

What's really dumb and sad at the same time: Someone alone in a car wearing a mask.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Face masks have been normal in Japan for many decades.

Yep

Originally Posted by unclebilly

Agreed but that is due to poor air quality… not really a problem in Calgary, Canada.

Japan with air quality issues? I think it was primarily to not spread germs. China has serious air quality issues.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

As I was saying.

Reuters
Huge Foxconn iPhone plant in China rocked by fresh worker unrest


BBC's take
China Covid: Angry protests at giant iPhone factory in Zhengzhou

I wish I could ask my friend in Shanghai about this but I never ask him anything controversial in email.

If we want to keep Taiwan free and democratic, the CIA should be spurring this kind of thing on.