Spelling and IQ

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by URY914

Dyslexia can also play a role in spelling.

Yes. 10 out of 2 people are dyslexic.

[sc_rufctr]

My spelling and grammar are atrocious... Always have been. I do try but it's just not what I'm good at. I know I should read more but that's always been too much of a choir.

Fixing broken "things" is the peak of my abilities. If I have to read to find out how to fix something then that's fine but otherwise I avoid it.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

My spelling and grammar are atrocious... Always have been. I do try but it's just not what I'm good at. I know I should read more but that's always been too much of a choir.

Fixing broken "things" is the peak of my abilities. If I have to read to find out how to fix something then that's fine but otherwise I avoid it.

You sound much like my brother. He hated reading, but he can fix almost anything.

He worked at a mill work for a while, and they had an old fork lift stuck in the corner, that was never used. He asked some of the old timers why they don't use the forklift for unloading some of the large pallets of wood they get in on trucks. All they would say is it was broken. He had never touched a forklift before, but it took some tinkering and he figured out the issue, and get it running on his own time because he was tired of going home sore from lifting heavy pallets of wood. The boss was astonished as the repair place had told him it was not repairable, and they were professionals.

He fixed several old mill work machines and he still has all 10 fingers.

[sc_rufctr]

Yep... I can relate. I have fixed things that no one else could (or would?).

The thing is I can be bothered. It's worth fixing something rather than going without or buying a new one.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by masraum

Technically, IQ is independent of education/knowledge so you could have someone with a very high IQ that was poorly educated and therefore may not exhibit correct spelling, grammar, syntax.

What you're talking about, IMO, is education level and personal focus/retention.

I work with a guy that's very smart. I have to think that he's got an above average IQ. He's a coder with a lot of knowledge. He likes to "learn something new every day" and reads books to learn new things all of the time. He's single handedly written an application that gathers information from thousands of devices, analyzes the data, and predicts failures based on trends in the data (among other things). I think he's probably got an above avg IQ. He often has typos in his emails. I am confident that he knows how to spell, but he doesn't go back and fix some errors.

This is correct. Many people with mental disabilities are high IQ. Dyslexia is one that hampers a HIQ person. Then there are personality disorders. IDK that either has to do with spelling, but I have some dyslexia that plays hell with me if I write long hand (or in caps). I'm very (let's say just about every time) prone to starting any word that begins with "PR" by writing the R down first. I've always done that.

I mean I can keep track of the there's and the other same sounding words along with I before E thing. But I can't write "price" correctly the first time w/o stopping to think.

When I was in high school I tested at 140. Who knows what that means 60+ years later. Ain't no 140 these days.

[Crowbob]

I have slydexia and my knees are dab.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

I have slydexia and my knees are dab.

thank goodness your knees aren't paq or you'd be in real trouble!

[Zeke]

You mean nkees, right?

[tops911]

I can spell, it's just not accurate. LOL

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by tops911

I can spell, it's just not accurate. LOL

If someone can read it, you spelt it.

[stomachmonkey]

I can no longer be bothered to worry about spelling.

Technology has made it impossible to do.

Autowrong constantly takes words I often spell correctly and completely replaces it with some random word that makes no sense in context and makes me look like an even bigger idiot than if I just spell it all wrong.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

My spelling and grammar are atrocious... Always have been. (snip) Fixing broken "things" is the peak of my abilities.

[aschen]

The only person I have met that is as bad at spelling as me is my 12yo boy who is in the gifted program at school. I am no genius but made it through 2 engineering degrees and a business degree only slightly handicapped by my spelling (both of us have terrible handwriting as well).

I am sure spelling is a type of intelligence, not a very high order one imho, and obsoleted mostly by technology.

We are both terrible at directions as well, but gps mostly solved that for me a decade ago as well. Born at the right time I guess.

[Steve Carlton]

[masraum]

Originally Posted by aschen

The only person I have met that is as bad at spelling as me is my 12yo boy who is in the gifted program at school. I am no genius but made it through 2 engineering degrees and a business degree only slightly handicapped by my spelling (both of us have terrible handwriting as well).

We moved around a lot and for a few years we lived in a place with a HORRIBLE public school system. My grandparents payed for me to go to a private school from the 5th through the first half of the 8th grade. The education really was top notch. They graded on penmanship, and it was not unusual for my grades to be all As and one C for penmanship. I can spell, but I should have been a Dr. And it's probably much worse these days because 99% of what I do is typed.

[aschen]

A bad grade in penmanship is a badge of honor I think! Seems ridiculous in the modern era


My handwriting is bad enough, that when I ran into my 6th grade science teacher, whom I hadn't seen in 35 years his first comment was "omg I remember you, please tell me your handwriting has improved, worst I saw in all my years teaching".


I think this stuff is all linked to some minor form or learning disability. We probably all have a little bit of something. We just adapt and move on

[Paul T]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

I think poor spelling has more to do with how much one reads than with their IQ.

I usually can look at a word and if it doesn’t look right, I’ve probably misspelled it.

I agree with this, but I’d imagine there is also a correlation between how much one reads and IQ, so the two probably line up.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by aschen

A bad grade in penmanship is a badge of honor I think! Seems ridiculous in the modern era


My handwriting is bad enough, that when I ran into my 6th grade science teacher, whom I hadn't seen in 35 years his first comment was "omg I remember you, please tell me your handwriting has improved, worst I saw in all my years teaching".


I think this stuff is all linked to some minor form or learning disability. We probably all have a little bit of something. We just adapt and move on

I've never been bothered by having bad penmanship. I think that is in many ways down to how you were taught. I understand that there are ways to right in cursive. I think all/most of my movement was in my fingers, but I think it's supposed to be in your arm, movement from the elbow or something like that. It's funny, they graded you and wanted you to improve, but there was no training of any sort. I guess they figured you got that earlier (which I don't think I did).

It's the other IQ thread where there was a video posted about what IQ does and does not do. Per the video folks that score higher do tend to score higher overall, but there is variation (eg, maybe better at math and worse at vocabulary, etc...).

I also do think that there are folks that have intrinsic abilities/talents for specific sorts of mental tasks that may not correlate to overall above average abilities. Music, Art, poetry, writing, science, math, etc..., someone could have a natural "talent" in one or more of those areas but be average or even below average in others. I think one of the points made in the IQ video in the other thread was that the "s" factor across the various groups would likely average out to an average g factor.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Yes. 10 out of 2 people are dyslexic.

It's all fun and games until your child is diagnosed with it in 5th grade.

[Crowbob]

On the rare occasions that I do actually have to write something, it takes me a second to recall how. The first time it happened I thought I was having a stroke or seizure or whatever. Nowdays I play it in my head as I grab the pen and think about it before I try to write.