Rust armorer found guilty

[craigster59]

Just so you can see the repercussions. This aint over yet.

Bill SB - 831:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB831&fbclid=IwAR2QdanXjEQxHegDXId6WLuMeyix_lFnZ6vFxAEeP 8n53FvlYSGU8VimbAA

[T77911S]

Originally Posted by john70t

Internet rumor (unconfirmed...of course) was that he pointed it directly at the director next to the camera out of rage over something, swore at her, and fired two shots. Maybe he was trying to make a point or something. That action does not jibe with a seasoned actor, with years of safety protocol, if true.



Sadly...there is no footage available. On a movie set.

there were more people in that room other than the dead girl that can tell what actually happened.
you might keep an eye on their bank accounts.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by craigster59

Just so you can see the repercussions. This aint over yet.

Bill SB - 831:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB831&fbclid=IwAR2QdanXjEQxHegDXId6WLuMeyix_lFnZ6vFxAEeP 8n53FvlYSGU8VimbAA

From the bill:

(a) A firearm, a functioning firearm-like device, firearm and blank ammunition containing gunpowder or other explosive charge shall only be permitted on motion picture productions, for the purposes of rehearsal, the filming of an on-camera sequence, or other development of content of the motion picture production with individuals of the cast or crew, under the following conditions:
(1) Under the custody and control of a qualified armorer, property master, or designee, as specified.

"designee"? As in "hey you go get the gun"?

[Daves911L]

Originally Posted by craigster59

True. This was very much an “isolated incident” and none of the parties are in the clear. There are civil suits still to go and criminal negligence charges that still have to wind their way through the courts.

If AB thinks he’s been exonerated and in the clear he is sorely mistaken.

So here we have a guy, who as part of doing his job, did something really stupid. Probably didn't expect to kill somebody, but did.

There was a police officer in Minneapolis two years ago who, as a part of doing his job, did something really stupid. He probably didn't expect to kill somebody, but did. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to 20 some years in prison.

[Hugh R]

designee is vague, maybe assistant armorer.

IF we needed an actor to fire real bullets so that he/she could understand things like recoil, we went to a range, always....

[T77911S]

In his interview he emphasizes that he pulled the gun out slowly but in the video he has a quick draw that would make Barney fife jealous.
What a lying sack of …….

[Reiver]

https://twitter.com/jdmiles11/status/1518725669680726020?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1518725669680726020%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.westernjournal.com%2Fvid eo-shows-alec-baldwins-finger-trigger-gun-killed-cinematographer%2F

[Arizona_928]

Why did he cock the hammer?

Finger on the trigger and slapped the hammer back.

[sc_rufctr]

EDIT: The first interview. They gave him a Miranda warning but he chose to speak to them without a lawyer present.

[sc_rufctr]

If you have any interest in this case it's worth watching that video.

At no point did Alec say that he fired the gun. He kept saying it just went off. They go over the details of the various rounds used on set and they show Alec a picture of the bullet that was removed from Joel Souza's shoulder. Right at the end of the video they tell Alec that Halyna Hutchins had died in hospital.

[Crowbob]

Foxnews is reporting the results of the forensic examination of the gun. Impossible to fire without having pulled the trigger.

[Reiver]

^^^ I started another op about that I'll post it here

ABC News
What forensic testing reveals about revolver in on-set 'Rust' shooting

The gun used in the fatal shooting on the "Rust" movie set could not have been fired without pulling the trigger, according to an FBI forensic report obtained Friday by ABC News.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/gun-rust-shooting-could-not-015300975.html

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Foxnews is reporting the results of the forensic examination of the gun. Impossible to fire without having pulled the trigger.

Depraved indifference to human life.....This piece of shyt didn't think past he need to make a point. Point being the operative word.

This refers to a person’s state of mind. A person has a depraved indifference to human life when that person has an utter disregard for the value of human life, i.e. a willingness to act, not because he or she means to cause grievous harm, but because he or she simply does not care whether or not grievous harm will result. A person who is depravedly indifferent is not just willing to take a grossly unreasonable risk to human life but instead ultimately does not care how the risk turns out.

[Crowbob]

Can somebody explain this to me?

Does this mean the gun could have fired without pulling the trigger?

“With the hammer de-cocked on a loaded chamber, the gun was able to detonate a primer "without a pull of the trigger when the hammer was struck directly," which is normal for this type of revolver, the report stated.”

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Can somebody explain this to me?

Does this mean the gun could have fired without pulling the trigger?

“With the hammer de-cocked on a loaded chamber, the gun was able to detonate a primer "without a pull of the trigger when the hammer was struck directly," which is normal for this type of revolver, the report stated.”

It means if an external force is applied to the hammer the result could be a discharge. Pretty standard stuff.
My guess is that it was cocked and the asswipe just pointed it and let one fly.
You'll never hear Baldwin utter that noise but taking responsibility is not really the strong suit for celebrities.

Now the question is: If Baldwin didn't pull the trigger, where did the external force originate?
Knowing the way a liberal's mind works, I'm guessing the answer will be "a climate change " phenomenon.
If that strategy doesn't fly with anyone but AOC, maybe they can push the mean orange guy who tiptoed across the room (in stealth mode)and hit the hammer with Nancy's gavel that he stole during the Jan 6th insurrection.

[Crowbob]

So the gun can fire without pulling the trigger?

Alex says he did not pull the trigger. If the gun can fire without pulling the trigger he is not lying.

If the gun can fire with the application of force to the hammer without pulling the trigger, to be fair, I can see this being an accident not attributable to negligence.

Is it common that handguns can fire with applied force to the hammer without the trigger being pulled?

[The Synergizer]

I don’t know if you are joking??

But no. It takes an conscious action to pull a trigger.

Baldwin is a known hothead. Not that it has anything to do with this.

[Crowbob]

I’m not joking.

Forensics says the gun cannot fire without the trigger being pulled but also says the gun can fire without the trigger being pulled.

If the gun can fire without the trigger being pulled Baldwin may not be lying.

I am not defending the man or his personality.

[Jeff Higgins]

Any single action revolver of the original Colt Single Action Army design can fire if the hammer is in the fully forward "rest" position, with a sufficient blow to the hammer. The original design has the firing pin mounted directly to the front of the hammer. The firing pin pokes through a simple hole in the back of the frame to strike the primer and fire the gun.

Modern designs, such as the Ruger Blackhawk and Vaquero, mount the firing pin in the frame rather than on the nose of the hammer. Between the hammer and the firing pin is a mechanism known as a "transfer bar". Its function is intuitively obvious from its name - it transfers the blow of the hammer to the firing pin.

This transfer bar is attached to the trigger. Unless the trigger is pulled fully to the rear, the transfer bar will rest below the firing pin, making no contact with it when the hammer is dropped. Pulling the trigger to the rear raises this transfer bar to a position between the hammer and the firing pin, allowing it to transfer the blow and fire the gun.

Below are some photos of the original Colt system and the new Ruger system (Ruger on top).





This transfer bar system allows the Ruger to be safely carried with six rounds in the cylinder. With the Colt, we only load five, leaving an empty chamber under the hammer.

When dropped, I swear these things are like cats - they always land "on their feet" or, in this case, the heel of the grip and the hammer spur. Guess what happens next?



So, yes, while technically the old design will fire without pulling the trigger, it takes a rather substantial blow to the hammer to make that happen. Since the gun was in Mr. Baldwin's hand when it fired, that would mean he would have had to have struck the hammer, like with the heel of his hand. An even more contrived, unlikely scenario...

[Crowbob]

Thank you, Jeff.