Armed citizens and the police:

[Racerbvd]

Well, having had family friends and from an early age, my own friends, in Law Enforcement.
One common denominator was “Never, ever point anything that could be MISTAKEN for a gun”.
Most people consider that common sense, and when the dem funded domestic terrorist decided to come to the North Florida area to protest about criminals dying while committing crimes, the local sheriff at the time said that if the domestic terrorist starting rioting and destroying private property in our community, he would deputize all legal gun owners to defend the community.
I have a relative who is a former Judge in Duval County Judge, who was forced out because he pulled out his gun, when the electricity went out in his court room had it pointed at the criminal when the lights came on, ( his father is the judge who threatened to arrest Elvis Presley when he did his 1st performance in Jacksonville in the 50s, if he gyrated his hips) and he doesn’t have any issues with legal gun owners and not only is he aways armed (even at the last family funeral, where he instructed me to pick up a shovel as we bury our own) but his Mother was also always packing) so not all law enforcement and judges are against 2nd amendment rights.
Without knowing the details of the incident that Speeder is talking about here, or seeing the video, I can’t make an informed decision on this incident.
A sad situation for Speeders friends, hopefully the cop cam will clear up what happened and if the police are at fault, justice is served, but if not, hopefully common sense will prevail and the charges against his friends wife will be dismissed. Clearly she wasn’t actually threatening the officer, intentionally, but they didn’t know that ( most likely)

[A930Rocket]

From the article: Police said she pointed the gun at officers, and they exchanged gunfire. Lauren was wounded and fled inside her home.

If you exchange gunfire with with the police, it won’t end well. No idea who shot at who first

[masraum]

I'd love to know what happened. I have to assume that "in the moment" she was confused about what was going on and made at least one very poor, accidental judgement call.

[berettafan]

Well I’ll be the bad guy here….is it possible she was all gummied up and not thinking clearly?

[sc_rufctr]

That's certainly possible and it fully explains her behavior.

[Jeff Higgins]

3:25pm. Broad daylight. Multiple commands to drop her weapon. Several officers in her yard, presumably in uniform. And b.s. on the claim that she may not have been able to hear their commands due to the helicopter hovering above. I've spent way too much time on flightlines, servicing aircraft, with all kinds of nearby airborne traffic, including very low hovering helicopters. And we can be damn sure the cops were using their "big boy voices", screaming orders as loud as possible. This kind of claptrap is only written by and for those who have no experience and can therefore be easily duped by these kinds of claims.

So why did she not follow their commands? Why did she shoot at them? Is it possible, as others have suggested, that she was high on something? Or maybe she is one of those virulent anti-police types. Or both. Either way, she is in deep doo doo, and should be.

[The Synergizer]

I can recall at least two situations, and possibly more in Colorado where innocent citizens were shot dead by the police simply because they had a gun in their hand. One had actually killed an attempted mass shooter in Arvada, and the other simply opened his own homes door with a gun in his hand.

If the cops are anywhere around set the gun down and put your hands up.... Then let it sort out.

If she was male, she probably would be dead. And if black and male, even more likely.

[911 Rod]

I'm picturing the scene in Pulp Fiction where Honey Bunny is waving the gun around in the restaurant.

[Cajundaddy]

Well she certainly is a pretty one. "Formerly a member of the Prince of Brunei harem" ??

A colorful life she has lived.

[masraum]

Is there a video that I've missed that shows the chick before she got shot? I don't feel like I can speak on if it was her fault without seeing video (and even then, we often see excerpts that portray the situation in a particular light).

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

3:25pm. Broad daylight. Multiple commands to drop her weapon. Several officers in her yard, presumably in uniform. And b.s. on the claim that she may not have been able to hear their commands due to the helicopter hovering above. I've spent way too much time on flightlines, servicing aircraft, with all kinds of nearby airborne traffic, including very low hovering helicopters. And we can be damn sure the cops were using their "big boy voices", screaming orders as loud as possible. This kind of claptrap is only written by and for those who have no experience and can therefore be easily duped by these kinds of claims.

So why did she not follow their commands? Why did she shoot at them? Is it possible, as others have suggested, that she was high on something? Or maybe she is one of those virulent anti-police types. Or both. Either way, she is in deep doo doo, and should be.

And if they weren't in uniform would you feel differently?
Or better - if they weren't in uniform and her kids were in the house?

I know full well that if armed people were in my driveway, weapons drawn and shouting at me, my first instinct would not be to disarm myself in the hope they were actually police. I suspect my wife wouldn't do so either.

And no, I don't know what happened either.
I'm simply pointing out an alternative scenario where her actions might seem slightly more justifiable.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Alan A

And if they weren't in uniform would you feel differently?
Or better - if they weren't in uniform and her kids were in the house?

I know full well that if armed people were in my driveway, weapons drawn and shouting at me, my first instinct would not be to disarm myself in the hope they were actually police. I suspect my wife wouldn't do so either.

And no, I don't know what happened either.
I'm simply pointing out an alternative scenario where her actions might seem slightly more justifiable.

What a load of contrived nonsense. You can "what if?" till the cows come home.

Plain clothes officers, otherwise known as "detectives", would not be participating in the pursuit of a hit and run driver. There were several "officers" - plural - in her yard. Multiple units were responding. Sirens and everything. Helicopter overhead. So even on the absolutely most remote chance that one of the officers were plain clothes (and I'll guarantee you none of them were), the rest were all in uniform. And the sirens and helicopter...

And no, her children were not in the house. How about her disabled grandma, the one with Alzheimer's? Or her rescue dog from the pound?

You could go on and on and on ad nauseum with such nonsense. I feel the way I do about this after examining the facts, not mulling over such contrived b.s.

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by Alan A

And if they weren't in uniform would you feel differently?
Or better - if they weren't in uniform and her kids were in the house?

I know full well that if armed people were in my driveway, weapons drawn and shouting at me, my first instinct would not be to disarm myself in the hope they were actually police. I suspect my wife wouldn't do so either.

And no, I don't know what happened either.
I'm simply pointing out an alternative scenario where her actions might seem slightly more justifiable.

My current understanding from the NPR piece is that they were uniformed CHP officers in pursuit.
Kinda tough to miss.

[fintstone]

A little off topic, but it surprised me that celebrities lived in what appeared in the photo to be such a middle class (or even lower middle-class neighborhood) as shown in the photos. I did a little research and saw that those homes were all valued at more than $1M. Some much more. They would not even be half that where I live.

It is amazing what it costs to live in/near LA now. It probably seems normal if you live there. Great weather, but I can buy/sell a 4000-6000 sq ft. brick home with a 3-car garage on 10 acres for that with a cherry '89 911 in the garage included.

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by fintstone

A little off topic, but it surprised me that celebrities lived in what appeared in the photo to be such a middle class (or even lower middle-class neighborhood) as shown in the photos. I did a little research and saw that those homes were all valued at more than $1M. Some much more. They would not even be half that where I live.

It is amazing what it costs to live in/near LA now. It probably seems normal if you live there. Great weather, but I can buy/sell a 4000-6000 sq ft. brick home with a 3-car garage on 10 acres for that with a cherry '89 911 in the garage included.

Yep. These are mostly single family homes, probably built in the 1960s in close proximity to downtown LA and the Hollywood music scene. The area is relatively safe but I personally don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. I have expected this RE bubble to burst for quite a while but with Floyd riots, crushing government lockdowns, failing schools, raging wildfires, and still prices climb.

The weather is nice though.

[The Synergizer]

No matter what, it's gonna cost them a few hundred thousand $$ by the time this is over...

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Early facts don't look good.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/10/nx-s1-5358986/jillian-lauren-shriner-la-police-shooting-weezer-bassist-wife

[Arizona_928]

In California with the enhancements and what not, that’s like 15 years to life in prison?

Serious charges…

I would quietly divest in gold and a yacht.

[Tobra]

Lucky the LEO in California are such bad shots

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

My current understanding from the NPR piece is that they were uniformed CHP officers in pursuit.
Kinda tough to miss.

They were actually LAPD officers assisting the CHP once the foot pursuit left the freeway and went into the neighborhood. The opposite happens when a pursuit goes from surface streets to the freeway. It was a chaotic situation with multiple 911 calls coming in from homeowners who saw random people running through their yards, etc.

The photos I saw were of mostly city cops in their dark uniforms, (technically blue but look black), with SWAT helmets on. I also don’t know how you could mistake them for bad guys but anything can happen when the fear and adrenaline is flowing that high.

I respectfully disagree with Higgins about the helicopter noise, when they are flying low overhead with buildings creating echos, you cannot hear yourself think. I’ve often thought that LAPD overuses them and the noise creates this exact situation, where you can’t hear the cops yelling commands.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Lucky the LEO in California are such bad shots

Some are but not all. She’s lucky she didn’t get one of the good ones.