Armed citizens and the police:

[fintstone]

That is the most rational explanation to me. That the woman did not hear the officers or recognize that they were police. I doubt she simply decided to defend a random hit and run driver from police.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Well, having had family friends and from an early age, my own friends, in Law Enforcement.
One common denominator was “Never, ever point anything that could be MISTAKEN for a gun”.
Most people consider that common sense, and when the dem funded domestic terrorist decided to come to the North Florida area to protest about criminals dying while committing crimes, the local sheriff at the time said that if the domestic terrorist starting rioting and destroying private property in our community, he would deputize all legal gun owners to defend the community.
I have a relative who is a former Judge in Duval County Judge, who was forced out because he pulled out his gun, when the electricity went out in his court room had it pointed at the criminal when the lights came on, ( his father is the judge who threatened to arrest Elvis Presley when he did his 1st performance in Jacksonville in the 50s, if he gyrated his hips) and he doesn’t have any issues with legal gun owners and not only is he aways armed (even at the last family funeral, where he instructed me to pick up a shovel as we bury our own) but his Mother was also always packing) so not all law enforcement and judges are against 2nd amendment rights.
Without knowing the details of the incident that Speeder is talking about here, or seeing the video, I can’t make an informed decision on this incident.
A sad situation for Speeders friends, hopefully the cop cam will clear up what happened and if the police are at fault, justice is served, but if not, hopefully common sense will prevail and the charges against his friends wife will be dismissed. Clearly she wasn’t actually threatening the officer, intentionally, but they didn’t know that ( most likely)

I have no idea what most of this has to do with anything but the common misperception in red states seems to be that people out here don’t exercise their 2A rights…nothing could be further from the truth. We’re gunned up real good, thank you.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by fintstone

A little off topic, but it surprised me that celebrities lived in what appeared in the photo to be such a middle class (or even lower middle-class neighborhood) as shown in the photos. I did a little research and saw that those homes were all valued at more than $1M. Some much more. They would not even be half that where I live.

It is amazing what it costs to live in/near LA now. It probably seems normal if you live there. Great weather, but I can buy/sell a 4000-6000 sq ft. brick home with a 3-car garage on 10 acres for that with a cherry '89 911 in the garage included.

Eagle Rock, especially the part near Pasadena, is really beautiful. You don’t see all of the mountains and canyons on a google map.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by speeder

I respectfully disagree with Higgins about the helicopter noise, when they are flying low overhead with buildings creating echos, you cannot hear yourself think. I’ve often thought that LAPD overuses them and the noise creates this exact situation, where you can’t hear the cops yelling commands.

Granted, I have never been personally involved in a situation like this, but like many of us, I've watched plenty of news footage after one has taken place. What I see is the helicopter maintaining some altitude while they are still searching for the suspect. Doing so takes advantage of the very reason they use them - sight lines. These increase with altitude. They are not "on the deck" while still searching, that would defeat the purpose of them being there in the first place. They would have no better visibility of the area than those on the ground. Yes, they get in pretty close when they have a suspect pretty well cornered, but I get the impression that they had not done so prior to the engagement under discussion. That, and beyond being likely several hundred feet up in the air, we do not know how how close the helicopter was in terms of distance on the ground. It could have been blocks away. That is, of course, speculation, but I believe the altitude it would have been holding while still in "search mode" would have been sufficient to allow the officers' voices to be heard.

[Tobra]

Why would you go outside with all that going on?

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Why would you go outside with all that going on?

... While waving handgun?? Really lit or really foolish. Maybe both.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Why would you go outside with all that going on?

A smart person would not.

I don't know if that makes me smart, but I would not.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

... While waving handgun?? Really lit or really foolish. Maybe both.

Naw. Been around a lot of really lit and realky foolish folks in my life..... just not that stoopid .

[Arizona_928]

Squeezed the trigger at the law…

https://6abc.com/amp/post/jillian-shriner-wife-weezer-bassist-scott-shriner-did-fire-gun-officers-lapd-says/16157385/

[greglepore]

You can defend 2A all you want, but this is a perfectly sad example of what happens when an untrained armed civilian decides for whatever reason to interject themselves into a chaotic situation. Same reason I had a problem with Kyle Rittenhouse.
She had an absolute right to defend her home, but going outside and firing wasn't good judgement.
That said, I actually feel sorry for her and her situation.

[speeder]

The correct action is to lock yourself inside of your house with a gun in your hand pointed at the door, with your loved ones somewhere behind you taking safe cover. You never go outside. Dead person inside your house is a major difference from one outside.

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

What a load of contrived nonsense. You can "what if?" till the cows come home.

But it’s ok when you do it. Your explanation was just as piss poor.
Neither of us know what happened, but you were fine offering an opinion.

[Jeff Higgins]

Anyone who has taken classes in armed self defense has (hopefully) learned of the perils of being the guy (or gal) with the gun when the cops arrive. While your mother may love you and knows you would never hurt a fly, the cops have no idea who in the hell you are or what just happened. Don't be the only person still standing, with a gun in your hand, when they arrive.

And Denis is spot on - if there is something going down in your neighborhood, your place is inside your own home. Especially when the cops start showing up. If you are outside, don't think for a moment that they will know that it is your house, or that you belong there, or anything at all like that. They will have no idea. Sometimes not even if you are inside of it, but that's a story for another day.

[Steve Carlton]

Didn’t this take place in her neighbor’s yard?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Alan A

But it’s ok when you do it. Your explanation was just as piss poor.
Neither of us know what happened, but you were fine offering an opinion.

My comments were based solely upon the facts as related in the two news stories that were linked. I neither added to them nor ignored anything in them. There is a very fundamental difference between that approach and your "how would you feel if...?", wherein you added elements that were not found in those stories. This isn't hard. For most of us...

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by speeder

The correct action is to lock yourself inside of your house with a gun in your hand pointed at the door, with your loved ones somewhere behind you taking safe cover. You never go outside. Dead person inside your house is a major difference from one outside.

That only applies to CA. Go to a free state. Can shoot the aggressor in the back for committing violent felony (ies).

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

My comments were based solely upon the facts as related in the two news stories that were linked. I neither added to them nor ignored anything in them. There is a very fundamental difference between that approach and your "how would you feel if...?", wherein you added elements that were not found in those stories. This isn't hard. For most of us...

The only real facts here is that there’s a million dollar bond for attempted murder of a leo. Lapd stated they recovered an empty shell from her firearm and video proof of her firing at them…

Weezer better start a tour in Eastern Europe.

[aigel]

IDK - i would be careful trusting anything coming from LAPD. Remember the Dorner manhunt? When they shot a couple of little women’s Toyota into Swiss cheese with rifles? A miracle they survived. Dorner drove a Nissan …

[Arizona_928]

Dorner. The guy LAPD tried to cancel after he whistle blew on their corruption…

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Dorner. The guy LAPD tried to cancel after he whistle blew on their corruption…

Ahhh…what? He was a severely disturbed individual who was terminated for good cause and then went on a murder spree of people who had never met him.

Is the LAPD perfect as an organization? Hell no but that guy was completely nuts. Other cops who feel like they were treated unfairly by the department sue and are often successful. Sometimes VERY successful.