LEO, I don't know how you guys do it - what's wrong with people

[Crowbob]

IMO, she was demonstrating classic ODD (Oppositional Defiance Disorder) with strong Passive/Agressive traits. She’s a bit old for such things which, by virtue of her crying for daddy, looks like some dependent personality mixed in.

IOW, insane in the membrain or a short circuit of the brain pan.

[aschen]

The internet being a confirmation Bias machine: If your history of watching shows civilians behaving badly to police you will get more of those. If your history shows engagement of cops behaving badly to civilians you will get plenty of those.

There are a lot of very shocking videos of cops egregiously violating peoples rights. Of course tons of video graphic evidence of people acting terrible as well.

I support the police but there is opportunities for a lot of them to do better as well. Not sure I have as much hope for general citizens to be any better on the whole though. Probably always going to have people who are not quite right.

[URY914]

The people behaving badly on airplanes is crazy. Don't people know by now that they will be going to jail AND banned from the airline in the future?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by look 171

I often wonder did we behave like this 40-50 years ago? Maybe we did? There's just weren't that many cameras around to get it out in out in the open? Also, is this an American or dare I say North American thing? People act like that in other parts of the world? I wanted to reach through my screen and slap that dumb girl. This type of stuff has to wear on those cops. They were truly professionals.

Right. I suspect there were folks that were idiots back then, but it's hard not to think that this sort of behavior has become more common.

I couldn't do the job of a LEO, because I could not handle this sort of thing day in and day out. You wanted to reach through the screen and slap her, and that would be most folks reaction. The cops did an amazing job of maintaining their cool despite the circumstances. I think they should be praised for how they handled this situation. I have no doubt that at least part of the motivation behind this behavior was to rile them up so they would react and act like she was acting and she didn't take the bait.

Originally Posted by Baz

Cops should have just told the manager on the phone it's her job to tell her employees what to do - stay or go.

Additionally - that manager on the phone did a piss poor job communicating with her associates.

I have other thoughts but those are the 2 main ones.....

The problem is that if a manager tells you to leave, and you refuse, you (as a manager) can't physically remove them without potentially being charged. So when someone refused to leave, I think the right choice to protect yourself (the business) and the other person is to call the police and have them officially remove the person (potentially hitting them with a "no trespass" which means if they come back they can be arrested).

I agree, the manager could/should have handled things differently, "the other guy is in charge, do what he says, and now I'm telling you, 'go home' and we'll talk on Monday." My guess is that the girl would still have argued and wouldn't have left.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by aschen

The internet being a confirmation Bias machine: If your history of watching shows civilians behaving badly to police you will get more of those. If your history shows engagement of cops behaving badly to civilians you will get plenty of those.

There are a lot of very shocking videos of cops egregiously violating peoples rights. Of course tons of video graphic evidence of people acting terrible as well.

I support the police but there is opportunities for a lot of them to do better as well. Not sure I have as much hope for general citizens to be any better on the whole though. Probably always going to have people who are not quite right.

I do see those other videos of cops that seem to have power trips or are full of it, but it's probably at least 10:1 for the cops being decent and people being sheißkopfs.

[911 Rod]

Obviously mental illness and I don't think it's right to even put videos like this on YouTube.
But I guess the people get what the people want.

[GH85Carrera]

If you MAX subscription there are a couple of seasons of a show called Lockup. Mostly late at night arrests. Much like the show Cops, only they get to leave in the profanity, and really show idiots in action.

One of my favorite episodes was a chick so drunk she could hardly stand and the cops were trying to test her sobriety but she was totally combative. She kept saying her dad was in charge at the city, and they needed to call him. Finally her dad did show up, and he just watched as she was handcuffed & hog tied because she kept kicking the cops. Finally they had to put her in a spit and bite mask. They put her in a jail cell for a few hours and she finally calmed down enough to be charged and she spent the night in a cell alone.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Arizona_928

Then just walk out as that’s a civil dispute…?!

Essentially - yes.

I didn't see any laws being broken.

So why is law enforcement needed?

The guy employee didn't approve of how the girl employee was doing her job.

He should have called the store manager/regional manager and got them involved.

This is an "internal" matter that should have been resolved "internally"

Clearly, when the manager via phone call asked the girl employee to leave for the day - she agreed to do so.

That's all it took.

The person who called the cops is clueless of how to handle situations while employed by a corporation.

Should have been handled by the company - and looks like it could have been.

Originally Posted by masraum

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The problem is that if a manager tells you to leave, and you refuse, you (as a manager) can't physically remove them without potentially being charged. -snip-

I agree, the manager could/should have handled things differently, "the other guy is in charge, do what he says, and now I'm telling you, 'go home' and we'll talk on Monday." My guess is that the girl would still have argued and wouldn't have left.

As I pointed out - it seems like it was never communicated to those 2 employees that he was filling in from another store and she was supposed to work "under" him.

That seems to be the overall genesis that started the whole issue.

So the store manager didn't communicate as she should have. Ultimately via phone call she did tell the girl employee to leave - so that solved the problem for that night.

Law enforcement shouldn't have ever been called here. But because they were, I guess they tried to handle things the best they could. I would have left right after the manager told girl employee to leave. The cop should have handed girl employee the phone so she could hear it herself. Instead she took it upon herself to have to call the manager right back.

I would have had the whole thing straightened out, were I involved. Mostly because of my communication skills and people skills. Not everyone has those and throw in the old ego and doesn't take much for things to get going the wrong way real quick.

My 2 cents.

[Rick Lee]

There'd be a lot less of this kind of behavior if people were held accountable for their actions earlier in life. I get sucked into the YT rabbit hole once in a while and it makes my blood boil when I see these folks getting a slap on the wrist or charges dropped. They have them so dead to rights, but they almost always skate. If I were the judge and watched a video in court of someone getting physical with a cop, I'd press pause and ask the DA what the max penalty is and then that's what they'd get, pound gavel, next case.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Baz

Essentially - yes.

I didn't see any laws being broken.

So why is law enforcement needed?

The guy employee didn't approve of how the girl employee was doing her job.

He should have called the store manager/regional manager and got them involved.

This is an "internal" matter that should have been resolved "internally"

Clearly, when the manager via phone call asked the girl employee to leave for the day - she agreed to do so.

That's all it took.

The person who called the cops is clueless of how to handle situations while employed by a corporation.

Should have been handled by the company - and looks like it could have been.





As I pointed out - it seems like it was never communicated to those 2 employees that he was filling in from another store and she was supposed to work "under" him.

That seems to be the overall genesis that started the whole issue.

So the store manager didn't communicate as she should have. Ultimately via phone call she did tell the girl employee to leave - so that solved the problem for that night.

Law enforcement shouldn't have ever been called here. But because they were, I guess they tried to handle things the best they could. I would have left right after the manager told girl employee to leave. The cop should have handed girl employee the phone so she could hear it herself. Instead she took it upon herself to have to call the manager right back.

I would have had the whole thing straightened out, were I involved. Mostly because of my communication skills and people skills. Not everyone has those and throw in the old ego and doesn't take much for things to get going the wrong way real quick.

My 2 cents.

I think everything you say here is correct but I'd like to add that the guy working there maybe did not feel safe enough to 'handle' this on his own. This part isn't clear, why he chose to call 911 instead of the off site manger. My experience with the girl's behavior has often been related to drugs.

Many interpret the word 'drugs' as something that is illegal and potent. Nothing could be further from the truth. While she may have had illegal substances in her, there are a lot of legal prescription drugs that cause irritability and aggression. She may or may not have had a prescription.

The fact that she became even more defiant as the situation escalated tells me she had a problem that was not necessarily a personality disorder, or that an underlying condition was triggered by ingested substances. There are so many that fit the bill it will take a comprehensive screening to determine if and what.

Do you think the PD ordered a blood test? I don't agree with the presenter's assessment. This runs deeper than "never told no growing up."

[Tidybuoy]

Some people stay poor their entire live and I can see why.

[speeder]

I'm not sure what the point even is of posting this tbh, there are so many unbalanced people out there and it's not really all that interesting. I feel for the cops dealing with them all.

[greglepore]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

its almost like trained in mental health experts and social workers should be dealing with the mentally ill, not a bunch of hot headed, poorly trained, poorly educated on the law, armed, bros.

Man, I don't know how you could watch that video and call those officers hot headed.
And I'm very liberal. Plus, I agree she had a mental health issue.
Do you just come here to pick fights?

[HardDrive]

I saw a video a few days ago. Girl absolutely flipped out, screaming that the police had no right to speak with her. Ended with her hog tied after assaulting the officers. She screamed at them the entire time. All started because someone asked her to get out of their car, and she refused. Person called the police, and all the police did was asked her to get out of the car and leave. All she had to do was get out and walk away, and she turned it into a felony. Utter entitled moron.

[Rick Lee]

I don't think there should be another implied consent law, but I think the DMV should make you read a printout when getting your DL of what police can do when you're operating a vehicle on a public road and you should have to sign a disclosure that you have read it. It's amazing how many people don't believe police can order you out of your car or that they have to explain everything to you on the side of the road.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

I saw a video a few days ago. Girl absolutely flipped out, screaming that the police had no right to speak with her. Ended with her hog tied after assaulting the officers. She screamed at them the entire time. All started because someone asked her to get out of their car, and she refused. Person called the police, and all the police did was asked her to get out of the car and leave. All she had to do was get out and walk away, and she turned it into a felony. Utter entitled moron.

Yep, I've seen a bunch of those too. And for anyone that wants to suggest that it's race, most of those are not any minority race. And in almost every case, I'm sure that if they'd just been civil and reasonable and compliant, they'd have had a chat and been on their way.

I saw one the other day, a girl trying to get into a bar or restaurant. The manager wanted her to leave and she refused (manager said that she started a fight/argument with her boyfriend, and they didn't want her there). The cops were called and she started arguing with them, "I know everyone in there. I just live right across the street." She all but said "I'm entitled to be there and there's nothing that anyone can do to revoke my entitlement." She wasn't slurring her speech or anything, but it's possible that she'd been drinking. Still, I've been out drinking at clubs and establishments, and would not have acted that way.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I don't think there should be another implied consent law, but I think the DMV should make you read a printout when getting your DL of what police can do when you're operating a vehicle on a public road and you should have to sign a disclosure that you have read it. It's amazing how many people don't believe police can order you out of your car or that they have to explain everything to you on the side of the road.

Yeah. It was drilled into us when we were first getting our license that a license to drive was a privilege not a right.

And don't even get me started on the "sovereign citizens" that aren't driving, they are "travelling," and you only need a license if you are driving commercially.

Obviously eugenics is wrong, but sometimes...

[masraum]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Man, I don't know how you could watch that video and call those officers hot headed.
And I'm very liberal. Plus, I agree she had a mental health issue.
Do you just come here to pick fights?

[Mahler9th]

What is wrong with people?

People are human beings.

ALL inherently flawed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EpizUY_las

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by greglepore

Man, I don't know how you could watch that video and call those officers hot headed.
And I'm very liberal. Plus, I agree she had a mental health issue.
Do you just come here to pick fights?

Hopefully you were being rhetorical. If not then the meme below will help you to not encourage sub-intellectual posts written for the purpose of grabbing attention.


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