crazy cigarette smokers can all go to hell!

[Hetmann]

I don't really give a rat's behind about smokers. If they want to die miserable deaths, that's their business. The fact that they want to justify it by citing statistical anomalies, great. We all rationalize our poor decisions and mistakes.

What I hate is litterbugs. If you don't want whatever gracing your private little domain, don't pitch it out the window either.

[dhoward]

Originally posted by nostatic

While you can point to "flawed studies", if you don't believe that smoking puts you at a higher risk for a number of diseases, then you are living in a fool's paradise. If you smoke, are you guaranteed to get cancer? Of course not...too many variables in the makeup of the human body. Are you more likely to get cancer, emphasema, etc? Yes....
Not whining, just stating an opinion.

Didn't say it's not affecting me.... Read again. I'm more than aware of the risks I face nearly every day, and yup, smoking is one.

Do you have the right to expose me to the same risk in public? I think not. You may think otherwise. That's why we have laws and a legislative process.

Same risk? Not proven, but I sure am glad the govenment is willing to protect me from all of the boogiemen out there...
I prolly need to check under my bed tonight.



Posted by Rich Lambert:
...So, when you change the "ss" to $$ in "*********", it changes the meaning???

Huh? I don't believe I directly called anyone a name, but reflected the sentiment of some of the previous posts. Sorry if you felt offended....

"Fireballs on the highway"?
You wax poetic....

[MFAFF]

'Please don't smoke in my office.

I enjoy sex more than you enjoy smoking and you don't see me screwing in your office.'

[dhoward]

[kepperly]

As for the litter issue with me, I smoke as I said Camel unfiltered.
when I ditch one, what happens? nothing , a very small piece of paper and a small amount of tobacco go back to where it came from just as the rest of us. Earth to earth ashes to ashes. I got
used to Camels in Viet Nam when I served as an Recon Marine
with C co. 1st Force Recon. If you field strip your butt no one knows you've been there!! If after almost two years in country
I haven't earned the right to small freedoms, Who has? Again
Your Freedom ends at the begining of my nose!

Keith Epperly

[Stuttgart951]

Good God...

Its a cigarette people, not the plague in rolling paper.

Heres where I stand on the issue (Im a smoker).

If smokers have the responsibility to restrain from enjoying a cigarette in the presence of non-smokers, non-smokers have the responsibility to avoid being next to a smoking individual. Dont show up at a restaurant and ask me to put out my cigarette - go sit somewhere else, Uppityman.

The statistics surrounding smoking are about as permeous as Swiss cheese. If anyone is really interested, I can try and find a couple articles that examine the numbers behind 'smoking related deaths.' Youd probably be surprised to find that almost half of the number of 'smoking related deaths' occur after age 75 and they also include unrelated deaths, including 'smoke ihalation' as an example. Thats right, if your house burns down and you die of smoke inhalation, youre a smoking related death statistic.

These studies are not scientifically motivated, they are politically motivated. Smoking was more dangerous that it was marketed to be 50 years ago, but now that has reversed. The stigma surrounding smoking related health issues is blown way out of proportion.

Im not trying to justify my habit to anyone (dont really feel the need) but Im starting to get slightly angered over to the constant stigma surrounding smokers. You'd think we had just been fitted for a neatly pressed black uniform with a red Swaztika on the sleeve.

"Sir, we know youre in there with the cigarettes. Come out with the cigarettes above your head, we have you surrounded."

"YOULL NEVER GET ME COPPERS!! MWAHAHAHA!! (inhale)"

The entire argument and the behavior it harbors is right up there with 'Bush is Hitler' in my book. Totally ridiculous.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by dhoward
Same risk? Not proven, but I sure am glad the govenment is willing to protect me from all of the boogiemen out there...

People believe what they want to believe. Even smart/educated ones. You can smoke all you want in your own house by yourself (or with other smokers), or car (if you don't throw the butts out the window). As for around other people:

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/05.22/SecondhandSmoke.html

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/etsfs.html

http://drkoop.com/template.asp?page=newsdetail&ap=93&id=516481

http://www.tobaccoscam.ucsf.edu/Secondhand/Secondhand_iih_internal_1.cfm

http://uscnews.usc.edu/hscweekly/detail.php?recordnum=8979


and as for the recent study that said there was no risk from second-hand smoke, well, that was funded in part by the Center for Indoor Air Research, which is supported by Phillip Morris. Lot's of very good scientists say the study is seriously flawed:

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/64/72529.htm

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Stuttgart951
If smokers have the responsibility to restrain from enjoying a cigarette in the presence of non-smokers, non-smokers have the responsibility to avoid being next to a smoking individual. Dont show up at a restaurant and ask me to put out my cigarette - go sit somewhere else, Uppityman.

Thankfully, there is no smoking in resturants in California, so that isn't an issue.

So people enjoy smoking, and want to be able to smoke around other people. How about masturbation?

[dhoward]

Originally posted by nostatic
People believe what they want to believe.......(Snipped)

http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/etsfs.html

That's the one!!!
An EPA study! Thanks, for the life of me I knew it was some oddball report in the early 90's that really lit (pun) the fire! Thanks NS!
This is a no-win arguement, but fun nonetheless.
For the record, I put my butts in a half-empty beer can between my legs while driving 80 MPH through a school zone, on my way to dump my drain oil in the wildlife refuge where I hunt bald eagles and spotted owls....

[dhoward]

Originally posted by nostatic
SNIP...
So people enjoy smoking, and want to be able to smoke around other people. How about masturbation?

Isn't that what we're doing?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by dhoward

For the record, I put my butts in a half-empty beer can between my legs while driving 80 MPH through a school zone, on my way to dump my drain oil in the wildlife refuge where I hunt bald eagles and spotted owls....

finally, something we agree on!

[jrdavid68]

Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
When I ride I keep a handful of rusty nuts and bolts in my jacket pocket for just that reason.

Now there is a smart move.

Someone throws a butt out the window with a 99.999% chance of not affecting your life in any way and you respond by throwing your nuts out the window. Not only do you intend to cause property damage but you also introduce the potential of causing a very serious accident/pile up.

[dd74]

Originally posted by nostatic
How about masturbation?

Only if I can have a smoke afterward...


Please: this is all so blown out of proportion. I don't study these statistics because they're meaningless in the grand scheme. The only thing that will get smokers to quit is when the sin taxes get so outrageous on a pack, economically, it will be more feasible to chew gum.

...which is illegal in Singapore BTW.

...and, supposedly, causes cancer from the saccharin (sp?).

But if one is truly concerned about "environmental" issues, and beyond *****ing about habits, nasty as they are, of this board I reccommend we all walk away from our nasty Porsche habit. They're loud, visually obnoxious (in some cases), pollute like lawn mowers, and can be driven to the point of extreme danger.

Yet, who on this board is gonna' do that? Not me. My fellow man will just have to "deal" with it.

As long as we're throwing studies around, one that I do know of states that fast food is more likely to cause damage to one's health than cigarette smoking. And obesity seems to have displaced smoking as a leading cause of death.

Maybe that's because Fatso over there is too busy stuffing his hole to fit in a Marlboro Light.

In short, cigarettes kill about as much and often as Big Macs, IMO. But it's easy to beat up on a corporation that's gotten all the negative press lately, and is not so fiscally popular as fast food conglomerates.

Oh, and by the way, I think Phillip-Morris has a hand in baby food, too - no one's complaining about that, however.

I think, if anything, Phillip-Morris and McDonalds should team up - they'd be a great new-world order, if not a legal form of population control.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Someone throws a butt out the window with a 99.999% chance of not affecting your life in any way and you respond by throwing your nuts out the window. Not only do you intend to cause property damage but you also introduce the potential of causing a very serious accident/pile up.

Gimme a break. It's the 0.001% of the time (your statistic) that I would actually even consider using them. If some f*cktard nails me with a cigarette I'm gonna try to return the favor (assuming I haven't lost it and ended up under the wheels of a semi at 80 mph because my pants caught fire!). If he misses, lucky him.

Yeah, I ride around the highways randomly flinging rusty metal at people, because I like getting shot at.

[turbo6bar]

Anybody else a puny weakling when it comes to cigarette smoke? My eyes water, and I have problems breathing when I'm around smokers. I don't go to bars because of this.

jürgen

Originally posted by nostatic
Do you have the right to expose me to the same risk in public? I think not.
Not whining, just stating an opinion.

Well said.

You guys can smoke all you want just don't force me to inhale your cancer air.



(To the smokers) Imagine someone sitting down next to you at a restaurant/bar/cinema whatever and farting like crazy. How'd you like that? It's the same thing except smelling other people's farts isn't dangerous to your health.

[surflvr911sc]

It can be pretty dangerous if they're smoking.

[dhoward]

Originally posted by jrdavid68
Now there is a smart move.

Someone throws a butt out the window with a 99.999% chance of not affecting your life in any way and you respond by throwing your nuts out the window. ..(SNIP)

I, for one am impressed.
My nuts won't reach the window....


Oops, sorry for using nuts and snip in the same quote...

[techweenie]

One of the side effects of most drug addictions -- including nicotine -- is the ability to create logical constructs to defend the drug consumption. Even though those constructs are clearly illogical.

Cigarette smoking is one of the stupidest behaviors a human can indulge in, and yet addicts will usually try to find something --anything -- to distract from that fact.

BTW, Porsche put out a bulletin about throwing cigarettes out of Boxsters. Turned out a couple times, burning butts were pulled into the engine air intake and set the cars on fire. Somebody is always trying to prove Darwin was right, it seems.

[dd74]

Originally posted by surflvr911sc
It can be pretty dangerous if they're smoking.

I think Penn and Teller tried that trick.