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Do you really see these people every day- people who cut off heads for show? Basically, I feel many will observe, even accept violence, but will never commit such violent acts. jürgen |
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Um. . . don't you mean "mortality" not "immortality"?
And no, I don't really want to see it either. Might be mildly interesting like staring at a bloody car crash on the side of the freeway, but ultimately does nobody any good.
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No I have no interest in seeing it and if you spent the time to find it and watch I would say you've got some issues to deal with. Would you watch a video of someone getting raped? tortured? Come on guys, this video isn't of a drunk bum punching another bum, it's fackin' murder. Sick sick sick.
Another thing, this isn't Gladiator or Braveheart special effects shieet, it's real!! You know that someone squirmed for their life when the blade touched their neck yet you still want to see the murder.... sick sick sick.
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This is another huge wake up call. These people do not represent some radical fringe group. They are more mainstream than you would like to believe. The chilling thing about the video is the casual distain for the infidel. A hungry cat shows more reverence for a cornered mouse. We are in serious trouble.
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While it's more graphic and harder to watch, I would say the video is analogous to watching the Zapruder film of Kennedy being shot. You've seen it, haven't you?
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The Zaprude film is a good analogy, and less graphic, however it's one in the same in my book.
It was mentioned in an earlier post that it brough back all the horror of 9/11 again...I fully agree. I for one will never forget watching little flecks fallign to the ground around the towers and later seeing camera closeups pointing out that those were people jumping/falling to their deaths. I don't want to see it. I'm not hiding from it, I know it happened, just like I know that somewhere a child is being abducted and murdered for sport, or a woman is being beaten or murdered cause she spilled the coffee, or that some other hostage in Iraq is sitting in a cell wondering when he'll get his head sawed off. What we're at war with isn't a religion, it's a philosophy. It's not Islam, its barbarism thats the enemy. I'm still going to believe (although s*it like this makes it damn hard....) that this is not a representative sample of the faith any more than the anti-abortion folks that detonate bombs are a representative sample of that group.
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If you read my post (and not just take it out of context for your interpretation)... I said that I see people every day who have little or no regard for life. I wasnt stating that I see people who enjoy cutting off heads every day. There is a big difference. Thanks for playing. |
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"Although I don't think we should have sent our kids there, having done so, not equipping them with body armor and failing to deliver more than one meal a day -- in the early days of the war -- was inexcusable"
http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20040324/FP_002.htm People who are uninformed never have any freaking idea what they're talking about, Mark.
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I forced myself to listen to the audio. Kinda weird but I felt I had to. I heard the radio counting down to when they were goig to play it and I ran over to the radio to shut it off. But half way there I stopped, something inside me said " you have to hear this, you need to understand" Corney I know, but I am being honest. I wanted to puke. If our guys are dealing with this crap first hand, I can deal with listening to it thousands of miles away. If nothing else it will keep me from being numbed to our guys plight. Just me, not implying not listening or watching makes you less patriotic or whatever. It was quite a wake up call, and hearing the chant while he was screaming was nausiating, and just felt evil.
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The "radical" Muslims clearly have won the hearts of the middle eastern Arab nations. They are applauded and admired.
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What would give me comfort would be to get everyone the hell out of there and turn the entire nation into the worlds largest glass factory with several nukes. But that's just wishful thinking.
The "radicals" are more representative of the fringe elements than they are portrayed, just like clinic bombers, and appear to work from a slanted interpretation of their religious based doctrine. Just like ELF'ers as eco-terrorists, Ralph Reed on the religious right, and Ralph Nader on the far left. They are appluaded by other radical elements, 'cause they make the most noise and get the most attention. What happened here is so horrific that it can't be ignored. Has it happened before? I'd bet dollars to Donuts that the old regime had it's fair share of public hangings/beheadings/floggings whatever. But we never heard about it... Remember also that they're working from the philosophy that to disagree with the current mainstream doctrine could also mean being ostracized or worse. Radicals move in the same direction as the current breeze.
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I've stayed away from this thread just because it would seem to have some sick voyeurism about it. But Moses post here made the thread worth the read.
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No. And I am not going to.
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Yes, I watched the entire full length video .. and I wish they would show it to everyone.. because we need to see it. having served in the Army and all I feel very strong about seeing our guys get strung up .. I am very VERY porud to be an american and to have served with some of the BESt mother F'ers in the world during my service in the Army.
As for this topic I really don't like talking about it all because I become VERY pissed off at people like Kerry and all others talking about how F'ing sorry they are some POW got pissed on or what ever. yeah we should pay the damn Iraqi captives money for thier pain and suffering.. sure.. yeah great idea. The US is loosing it's Grip as a world force because .***** we HAvE become to F'ing P.C. Man! The damn guys ( who did this )over there have done it to us in the past and will continue to do so they have burned and hung our captured from bridges and dragged them through the streets.. they simply are NOT stupid enough to show thier face. so they will never be cought. as for all this crap about us saying sorry... man I wish they would simply shut the F**k up!I still hear MORE about the damn Iraqi captives than the poor man who has just had his head cut off by a steak knife like a F'ing farm animal. The people who did this simply laugh at us! ..and will continue to do so.man i can't even get my thought out properly right now.. So I will stop..and shut my own mouth.... Is the Arab nation going to say sorry to This poor guys family and Pearls family .. who ever said sorry for that crime!.... ahh F'it.. before anyone goes off deep end.. I do not Agree with what the stupid Reservist MP's have done.. sorry guys!!..I'd rather talk porsches.. I caome here to get away from the REAL world sometimes. Later Guys
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Where are all those who were demanding Bush apologize for those "humiliating/naked" photos? the Arab nation is too busy cheering over this slow murder. What if Bush had been cheering over those "humiliating/naked" photos? Far too many in the US are so concerned about being liked, that they spew critisim of their own country in a misguided effort to be seen as impartial/self-critical. . ..gooood. (idiots) |
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Maybe you'd like to hear about something other than idiot Reservists and naked Iraqis.
Maybe you'd like to hear about a real American, somebody who honored the uniform he wears. Brian Chontosh. Churchville-Chili Central School class of 1991. Proud graduate of the Rochester Institute of Technology. Husband and about-to-be father. First lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps. And a genuine hero. The secretary of the Navy said so yesterday. At 29 Palms in California Brian Chontosh was presented with the Navy Cross, the second highest award for combat bravery the United States can bestow. That's a big deal. But you won't see it on the network news tonight, and all you read in Brian's hometown newspaper was two paragraphs of nothing. Instead, it was more blather about some mental defective MPs who acted like animals. The odd fact about the American media in this war is that it's not covering the American military. The most plugged-in nation in the world is receiving virtually no true information about what its warriors are doing. Oh, sure, there's a body count. We know how many Americans have fallen. And we see those same casket pictures day in and day out. And we're almost on a first-name basis with the pukes who abused the Iraqi prisoners. And we know all about improvised explosive devices and how we lost Fallujah and what Arab public-opinion polls say about us and how the world hates us. We get a non-stop feed of gloom and doom. But we don't hear about the heroes. The incredibly brave GIs who honorably do their duty. The ones our grandparents would have carried on their shoulders down Fifth Avenue. The ones we completely ignore. Like Brian Chontosh. It was a year ago on the march into Baghdad. Brian Chontosh was a platoon leader rolling up Highway 1 in a humvee. When all hell broke loose. Ambush city. The young Marines were being cut to ribbons. Mortars, machine guns, rocket propelled grenades. And the kid out of Churchville was in charge. It was do or die and it was up to him. So he moved to the side of his column, looking for a way to lead his men to safety. As he tried to poke a hole through the Iraqi line his humvee came under direct enemy machine gun fire. It was fish in a barrel and the Marines were the fish. And Brian Chontosh gave the order to attack. He told his driver to floor the humvee directly at the machine gun emplacement that was firing at them. And he had the guy on top with the .50 cal unload on them. Within moments there were Iraqis slumped across the machine gun and Chontosh was still advancing, ordering his driver now to take the humvee directly into the Iraqi trench that was attacking his Marines. Over into the battlement the humvee went and out the door Brian Chontosh bailed, carrying an M16 and a Beretta and 228 years of Marine Corps pride. And he ran down the trench. With its mortars and riflemen, machineguns and grenadiers. And he killed them all. He fought with the M16 until it was out of ammo. Then he fought with the Beretta until it was out of ammo. Then he picked up a dead man's AK47 and fought with that until it was out of ammo. Then he picked up another dead man's AK47 and fought with that until it was out of ammo. At one point he even fired a discarded Iraqi RPG into an enemy cluster, sending attackers flying with its grenade explosion. When he was done Brian Chontosh had cleared 200 yards of entrenched Iraqis from his platoon's flank. He had killed more than 20 and wounded at least as many more. But that's probably not how he would tell it. He would probably merely say that his Marines were in trouble, and he got them out of trouble. Hoo-ah, and drive on. "By his outstanding display of decisive leadership, unlimited courage in the face of heavy enemy fire, and utmost devotion to duty, 1st Lt. Chontosh reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and the United States Naval Service." That's what the citation says. And that's what nobody will hear. That's what doesn't seem to be making the evening news. Accounts of American valor are dismissed by the press as propaganda, yet accounts of American difficulties are heralded as objectivity. It makes you wonder if the role of the media is to inform, or to depress - to report or to deride. To tell the truth, or to feed us lies. But I guess it doesn't matter. since there bigger better news topics like People who a year ago were trying to Kill our guys are being poked at and humiliated by MP's
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