Subaru's and Gays

[ronin]

Originally posted by nostatic
so wait....who's gay? I got lost a few posts back...

As of now all I can figure out is that some guy named Saab is banging some guy named Subaru in the Forest. Is that right? And what's with all the foreign sounding names? This place is going to hell in a handbasket. A nice frilly handbasket. With doilies.

I dunno. well, I'm German and I'm happy but I still liked the chicks last time I checked. but that Llama, now I'm not so sure about him. I mean he talks a good game but...

[MFAFF]

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Originally posted by nostatic
so wait....who's gay? I got lost a few posts back...

As of now all I can figure out is that some guy named Saab is banging some guy named Subaru in the Forest. Is that right? And what's with all the foreign sounding names? This place is going to hell in a handbasket. A nice frilly handbasket. With doilies.
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I dunno. well, I'm German and I'm happy but I still liked the chicks last time I checked. but that Llama, now I'm not so sure about him. I mean he talks a good game but...

No, no, no.

Guys its like this, its the German guy, Subaru who's doing the Swede, Saab out back with the llamas. They are both on XTc to impress Carma whos being targeted.

I thought that was clear...

Anyway why are we worried about whois being tragetted by a car manufacturer? Or wheter or not somebody 'bats' for the other team?

There are plenty of God fearing, straight people whose ideas and beliefs are offense or I think are stupid to not have to worry if somebody is a gay or a lesbian.

As I find it offensive to have somebody else's beliefs rammed down my throat (as it were) anyone who wants to do that gets an earful (!).

So lets people get on this their private lives and worry a little more about how their public performance affects us all.

[MFAFF]

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Originally posted by nostatic
so wait....who's gay? I got lost a few posts back...

As of now all I can figure out is that some guy named Saab is banging some guy named Subaru in the Forest. Is that right? And what's with all the foreign sounding names? This place is going to hell in a handbasket. A nice frilly handbasket. With doilies.
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I dunno. well, I'm German and I'm happy but I still liked the chicks last time I checked. but that Llama, now I'm not so sure about him. I mean he talks a good game but...

No, no, no.

Guys its like this, its the German guy, Subaru who's doing the Swede, Saab out back with the llamas. They are both on XTc to impress Carma whos being targeted.

I thought that was clear...

[Z-man]

Originally posted by Mulholland
Romans 1:24-32 -- "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."


They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Yep, the above description (from 2000 years ago) basically sums up my close proximity understanding of homosexuality.

That said, the Bible makes little distinction between fornicators and homosexuals...It describes they are both sinners and better flee from sexual immorality (homo or heterosexual) because it is deadly to one's soul.

I think you're missing an important point, Mul.

The above quote from the Bible doesn't show the whole picture. You see: God hates SIN, but he loves the SINNER. He's done everything in his power (including dying for us) to show this! Talking about the wrath of God without mentioning His grace is selling God short.

If I honesly apply the Bible to my life, I need to live by that standard as well. Thus, while I do not condone homosexual behavior, I try my best to cast no judgement upon someone who is gay. Unfortunately, all too often I don't try hard enough.

I am not trying to ram my beliefs down someone's throat here, just trying to clarify what I believe the Bible teaches.

Interesting discussion here.
-Zoltan.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by Z-man

Interesting discussion here.
-Zoltan.

Not really. Just a bunch of flaming homophobia.

[speeder]

Plus you can probably find somewhere in the Bible where it condones killing your neighbor for working on Sunday or some such schit, right??

People who quote, (or misquote), Bible passages literally as "law" scare me more than any "alternative lifestyle" folks ever will. Think REAL HARD about the way that Jesus lived his life while on earth and treated humans before opening pie hole or engaging typing finger.

[RickM]

Does this targeted marketing backfire once the masses "get it"?

[jyl]

jyl posted:

"I hadn't realized Mul was a gay basher - since he's on my Ignore list, I have no idea what he's saying nowadays - but if that is true it is really too bad."

Island 911 replied:

"Yanker911 starts a thread on Gays, linked to Subaru's, linked to Mul. . and what you get out of that is that Mul is a gay basher?

While I suspect Mul has opinions about those who feel they are german. . I mean gay; he hasn't started any threads on the topic. . .or even any posts that I've seen. (though he does post a lot. . .may have missed something.)"

Mul seems to have chimed in (quoted from another post):

"They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Yep, the above description (from 2000 years ago) basically sums up my close proximity understanding of homosexuality.

That said, the Bible makes little distinction between fornicators and homosexuals...It describes they are both sinners and better flee from sexual immorality (homo or heterosexual) because it is deadly to one's soul."

Yup, Mul is as I thought. Someone to ignore.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by RickM
Does this targeted marketing backfire once the masses "get it"?

Interesting point. My wife and I discussed this marketing strategy and this post last night, and here's what she came up with:

A month ago, we bought my wife a new Beetle Turbo, which like the Subaru and the Miata (and the Boxster) and been 'branded' as a 'gay-friendly' car.

When I mentioned that to Kim last night, her comment was, "So what? I bought my car because I like it. It puts a smile on my face and I enjoy the car. I don't care what others have labeled it: I bought it because of what it does fore ME." Wise she is, my wife.

And for me, that's the bottom line. As a car enthusiast, I try to not let the 'marketing lies' influence my decsisions when I buy a car. Sure, I do research when buying a car, and there's lots of marketing junk that I need to sort through when doing such research. Does marketing influence what I buy? To a certain extent it does. But what I want the car for, and my goals for it should play a more important role in my purchase than what a given car company says the car is built for.

-Z

[juanbenae]

please tell me what definition of gay we are using here?

4 entries found for gay.
To select an entry, click on it.
gay[1,adjective]gay[2,noun]GayGay-Lussac

Main Entry: 1gay
Pronunciation: 'gA
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French gai
1 a : happily excited : MERRY b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits
2 a : BRIGHT, LIVELY b : brilliant in color
3 : given to social pleasures; also : LICENTIOUS
4 a : HOMOSEXUAL b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals
synonym see LIVELY
- gay adverb
- gay·ness noun

for tollerance sake i hope its 1,2,or 3

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulholland
Romans 1:24-32 -- "Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another...blah blah blah...."

Yep, the above description (from 2000 years ago) basically sums up my close proximity understanding of homosexuality.

That said, the Bible makes little distinction between fornicators and homosexuals...It describes they are both sinners and better flee from sexual immorality (homo or heterosexual) because it is deadly to one's soul.

Here we go again with the literal interpretation of the bible used as an excuse for personal phobias and interolerance. Well, if you are going to interpret the bible literally and use it as a guide for your live, don't forget the following quotes:

on human sacrifice: [The Lord speaking]_ "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has, for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel."_ (Joshua 7:15 NLT)

how about some rape, murder and pilage: They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men._ All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle._ They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword._ Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder._ They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived._ After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

___ Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp._ But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle._ "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded._ "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor._ They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people._ Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man._ Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

or a little more rape and muder: As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. _If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. _But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. _When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. _But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. _You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

how about some sex slavery: When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are._ If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. _But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her._ And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter._ If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife._ If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment._ _(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

or polygamy, rape, and baby killing: Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house._ I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor._ He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight._ You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord."_ Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die._ But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."_(2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

oh, and murder is a BIG favorite: Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

___ Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. _Such evil must be purged from Israel._ (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
___ You should not let a sorceress live._ (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
___ "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives."_ (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
___ A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death._ (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
___ Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. _(Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
___ 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness._ (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
___ 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death._ They are guilty of a capital offense._ (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
___ If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death._ (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
___ A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death._ (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religio
___ Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed._ (Exodus 22:19 NAB

Kill Nonbelievers
___ They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman._ (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)


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[Rot 911]

I'm gay. Just don't tell my wife.

[Moneyguy1]

The only problem I have is the use of a really nice word in a different context.

Although months away from Christmas, "Deck the Halls" just doesn't seem the same anymore, nor the last decade of the 19th century.....

Society is changing. Ever wonder about "The Odd Couple" or "Laverne and Shirley"? If they were new shows today, a lot of folks would question the sexual orientation of the main characters.

The times they are a'changin.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by Z-man
The above quote from the Bible doesn't show the whole picture. You see: God hates SIN, but he loves the SINNER. He's done everything in his power (including dying for us) to show this! Talking about the wrath of God without mentioning His grace is selling God short.

Point well taken...I agree, but I cannot dismiss the facts and even the possible mythology (if you are a disbeliever) of Sodom and Gamorrah...My experiences tend to corroborate (not blind right-wing faith) the conclusions drawn in the Bible....And believe me, I have walked in total opposition to God and Jesus Christ, and I found my self in a living hell.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by Z-man
I am not trying to ram my beliefs down someone's throat here, just trying to clarify what I believe the Bible teaches.

Nor was I, I was merely offering a school of thought for consideration...Take it or leave it.

I find the violent reaction against all things Christian, to be interesting. People of all other faiths, including liberalism, have no problem imposing their belief systems down people's throats, but the moment you express Christian beliefs, you become an intolerant ignoramous who thinks narrowly...Tolerance is a one way street, which is in-and-of-itself intolerant.

The city of Los Angeles leftists, as strong-armed by the ACLU, are having the cross (representation of California's history) removed from the county seal...In typical hypocritical fashion, they have no problem with the goddess Pomona (pagan god) being the predominant image on the seal.

The "intolerant" and "shove it down your throat" Christians have NEVER tried to get Pomona removed from the seal.

So, who is intolerant and wants to shove beliefs down throats?

[Z-man]

Originally posted by Mulholland
I find the violent reaction against all things Christian, to be interesting...

Funny, I have discussed my faith & convictions here and elsewhere many times, and have never really gotten a violent reaction.

Perhaps it is your delivery that yeilds such a reaction?

Just because the delivery is 'toned down' that doesn't mean that the message is!

Just my $0.42,
-Zoltan.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by Z-man
Perhaps it is your delivery that yeilds such a reaction?

Nahhhhh....couldn't be.

I was speaking to the generalization "Christians shoving their belief's down my throat"...I was speaking to the generalization and not to specifics, but that tone is often adopted by some here.

[ronin]

anyone here see a Llama? with doilies??

[djmcmath]

You know, I once caddied for the doily llama....

[lendaddy]

gunga gulunga