Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

[fintstone]

So your point is:
that the SUV that he owns but doesn't own is his wife's?
that even his wife does not trust him and got a prenup?

[CamB]

Poor guy is damned if he does or doesn't.

I HATE prenups as a concept. Marriage definitely falls into the concept of "do it once and do it right" for me, but I must stress I am only 29 years old and married for slightly over a year. Realistically, people can change, and some people never should have got married in the first case.

A pre-nup, to me, implies that both parties are entering a marriage with reservations.

However, he is still not the richest guy in the Senate. He might be the most married guy. He might think SUVs are a bad thing but still have one. But he isn't the richest guy.

[Moneyguy1]

One good reason for a pre-nup:

Second time around; both parties have children. Without pre-nup, one dies. Entire estate goes to survivor. Survivor dies. Entire estate goes to that individual's children, nothing to the other spouse.

Not only are they a good idea, they help preserve the continunity of the family "fortune".

My wife and I have on. Should I go first, she geta s "life estate" in the house; hers until she dies. Then my kids as "remaindermen" get the house. Simple, easy, clean.

Not to mention the old standby on crime dramas: "Murder for profit"

[Mule]

Was that Mac Cleland at the Dem's convention? I had the sound turned down & thought it was Larry Flint!

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/vets200405041615.asp

The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth released the following letter to John Kerry, signed by 189 fellow veterans of the Navy vessels featured so prominently in the senator's campaign ads. The group's organizers explain that the veterans who have signed to date represent the large majority of those who served with Lt. Kerry in Vietnam. Scores of others are expected to join up in the days ahead.

May 4, 2004

Senator Kerry,


We write from our common heritage as veterans of duty aboard Swift Boats in the Vietnam War. Indeed, you should note that a substantial number of those men who served directly with you during your four month tour in Vietnam have signed this letter.

It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us). Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war.

We believe you continue this conduct today, albeit by changing from an anti-war to a "war hero" status. You now seek to clad yourself in the very medals that you disdainfully threw away in the early years of your political career. In the process, we believe you continue a deception as to your own conduct through such tactics as the disclosure of only carefully screened portions of your military records. Both then and now, we have concluded that you have deceived the public, and in the process have betrayed honorable men, to further your personal political goals.

Your conduct is such as to raise substantive concerns as to your honesty and your ability to serve, as you currently seek, as Commander-in-Chief of the military services.

It is vital that the American public have as much information as possible about candidates for President of the United States. In various ways, you have rightly called upon President Bush to be fully accountable and to provide full disclosure. In the same spirit, now that you are the presumptive nominee of your Party, we believe it is incumbent upon you to make your total military record open to the American people.

Specifically, we the undersigned formally request that you authorize the Department of the Navy to independently release your military records (through your execution of Standard Form 180), complete and unaltered, including your military medical records. Further, we call upon you to correct the misconceptions your campaign seeks to create as to your conduct while in Vietnam. Permit the American public the opportunity to assess your military performance upon the record, and not upon campaign rhetoric.

Senator Kerry, we were there. We know the truth. We have been silent long enough. The stakes are too great, not only for America in general but, most importantly, for those who have followed us into service in Iraq and Afghanistan. We call upon you to provide a full, accurate accounting of your conduct in Vietnam.

Respectfully,

Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann, USN
Captain Charley Plumly, USN (ret)

Mr. Alvin A. Horne

Mr. Bill Lannom

Mr. John O'Neill

Mr. Wey Symmes

Mr. William W. Franke