Swift Boat Veterans for Truth

[Mulholland]

[bryanthompson]

Check out DrudgeReport.com:

DNC CONVENTION DIRECTOR DON MISCHER AIRED ON CNN AS KERRY ENDS SPEECH, HEARD WORLDWIDE: 'Go balloons, go balloons! Go balloons! I don't see anything happening. Go balloons! Go balloons! Go balloons! Standby confetti. Keep coming, balloons. More balloons. Bring it- balloons, balloons, balloons! We want balloons, tons of them. Bring them down. Let them all come. No confetti. No confetti yet. No confetti. All right, go balloons, go balloons. We need more balloons. All balloons! All balloons! Keep going! Come on, guys, lets move it. Jesus! We need more balloons. I want all balloons to go, goddammit. Go confetti. Go confetti. More confetti. I want more balloons. What's happening to the balloons? We need more balloons. We need all of them coming down. Go balloons- balloons? What's happening balloons? There's not enough coming down! All balloons, what the hell! There's nothing falling! What the **** are you guys doing up there? We want more balloons coming down, more balloons. More balloons. More balloons'...

MP3 Here: http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc.mp3

[Moneyguy1]

When one cannot defend the policies of his party, the tactic then becomes to throw as much crap at the other guy as possible and hope some of it sticks.

The drawback to this is you are the one with the crap on your hands and under your nails.

The only campaign I can remember (and I am old) in which the Republicans were out crapped was Johnson vs. Goldwater. Just at voting age. Campaigned for Barry....

Since then, I can think of only one Republican presidential candidate that won by charisma rather than slander, and that was Ronnie. He was charming.......

[nostatic]

if only I'd know that using cartoons was such an effective way of presenting a coherent argument. I should have used that for my thesis defense...

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by nostatic
if only I'd know that using cartoons was such an effective way of presenting a coherent argument. I should have used that for my thesis defense...

Grow a sense of humor...they call it levity.

[Mulholland]

Steven Michael Gardner served side by side with John Forbes Kerry in Vietnam, was wounded under Kerry's command, and was manning twin .50-caliber machine guns on a night that has forever haunted Kerry -- the night his crew killed a young boy in a sampan.

But unlike many of Kerry's crewmates, Gardner has not appeared at Kerry's side at campaign rallies, and his view of Kerry at war is far different from the heroic view presented by others. "He absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him," Gardner said in a recent interview. "He wouldn't go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/11/kerry_no_hero_in_ex_crewmans_eyes/

[rcecale]

Originally posted by Mulholland
Steven Michael Gardner served side by side with John Forbes Kerry in Vietnam, was wounded under Kerry's command, and was manning twin .50-caliber machine guns on a night that has forever haunted Kerry -- the night his crew killed a young boy in a sampan.

But unlike many of Kerry's crewmates, Gardner has not appeared at Kerry's side at campaign rallies, and his view of Kerry at war is far different from the heroic view presented by others. "He absolutely did not want to engage the enemy when I was with him," Gardner said in a recent interview. "He wouldn't go in there and search. That is why I have a negative viewpoint of John Kerry."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/11/kerry_no_hero_in_ex_crewmans_eyes/

quote:Kerry's fellow Swift officer Thomas Wright reports that he "had a lot of trouble getting Kerry to follow orders," and that those who worked with Kerry found him "oriented towards his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives."


Posted by CamB
This guy is accusing him of being a maverick.

Perhaps he is actually accusing him of being a coward!

Randy

[hardflex]

seems to me if the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth" were really about the truth, they'd have named it "Swiftboat Veterans with a different opinion"

[rcecale]

...perhaps their "different opinion" IS the truth.

Randy

[hardflex]

no, the truth is somewhere in the eiddle

[rcecale]

you were there?

[ubiquity0]

Originally posted by Moses
From the doc who treated John Kerry for the "wound" that earned him his first purple heart:

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Impressive how the doctor recalled every tiny detail about Kerry's wounds 35 years ago. Every detail, that is, except for where on his body it was located. His recounted story differed strangely from the written records. Well I guess he's only a doctor... upper arm, lower arm, whatever its only anatomy. I'm sure he got everything else right though.

[techweenie]

Yes, and you'll find high praise for Kerry in fitreps from two of the same people who are now attacking him as 'unfit.'

Funny how time & politics can change history.

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by hardflex
seems to me if the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth" were really about the truth, they'd have named it "Swiftboat Veterans with a different opinion"

Or "Swift Boat Veterans Not on Kerry's salary, who represent the majority of his fellow soldiers."

[Mulholland]

Originally posted by techweenie
Yes, and you'll find high praise for Kerry in fitreps from two of the same people who are now attacking him as 'unfit.'

Funny how time & politics can change history.

You failed last time I asked you...I will ask you one more time...What EXACTLY were the 3 Purple Hearts for (the physical damage as well as what happened)?

You cannot answer these questions because Kerry lied about releasing the records disclosing this. He promised and he didn't deliver.

Bush released his records.

What I find so utterly fascinating is how all of the sudden Democrats are pro-Vietnam, pro-Military....This is an insult to truth and Kerry's anti-war record...Kerry has been patternly hostile to the military, any expenditure, necessary equipment and any action opposing communists.

War heros don't contemptuously throw their medals away.

The billion dollar man, the richest man in the Senate.

[speeder]

"Bush released his records"......

Except for the "missing" ones, that would have answered some of the lingering questions about his "service"....

I really don't give a rat's ass about Bush 30 yrs. ago, I know that he avoided going to VietNam and used family connections to do so. That is a FACT , something that you have a serious problem with.

But just to highlight your hypocrisy, answer the following question or STFU about John Kerry's military service:

Where exactly was Bush during the time that he was supposed to be serving in the Alabama Guard unit, (account for the entire period), and how exactly did he "work it out" to be released early to attend grad school?

No one else has been able to answer these questions, but since you are demanding that anyone who supports Kerry to detail his war wounds, (exactly where on body, etc.....), let's see how you do w/ unreleased information.

But of course Bush's extreme hubris and hypocrisy don't bother you in the least, because you're completely FOS. Right?

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Mulholland
You failed last time I asked you...I will ask you one more time...What EXACTLY were the 3 Purple Hearts for (the physical damage as well as what happened)?

I gave you the quote and source for the information on the first (disputed) purple heart injury. If you didn't read it or credit the source, don't try to put that back on me.

Are you implying that the second and third purple hearts are also in dispute? I know you think the Bronze Star and Silver Star are in disupte, as well as just about every fact relating to the Vietnam war, but I'm really only interested in replying to credible questions, not nut-job paranoid stuff.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by speeder
...I really don't give a rat's ass about Bush 30 yrs. ago, I know that he avoided going to VietNam and used family connections to do so. That is a FACT , something that you have a serious problem with...

What people arent' dealing with here is that GWB's entrance exam score for the National Guard was ridiculously low -- 25% out of 100. And yet, he bumped a more-qualified candidate for a slot in the coveted 'chapagne squadron.' Affirmative action at its best. And we know how conservatives love affirmative action.

So what ever happened to the better-qualified applicant? Did he have to actually serve his country?

[85eurocarrera]

The heros I know , my dad and uncles, never boast about thier service to our country. Heck I didnt know my uncle had a purple heart untill I saw it at his wake. Granted they never ran for office, but they shure as he!! are not going to throw thier medals away!

What bothers me, Speeder, is you tell someone to STFU about Kerrys military service. Seems to me Kerry is putting his service to our country out there, "Reporting for duty", so why not question it?

I really appreciate everyone who serves in the military, including John Kerry, but why boast about it? I dont even care if guys came back from war and throw thier medals away. What I do care about is when a guy like Kerry uses his service (questionable) record to call himself a hero.

I think he would do better to act like the 1,000's of other humble military heros in this country that keep thier military heroism to themselves and loved ones.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by Mulholland
Grow a sense of humor...they call it levity.

NoStatic's sense of humor is actually malignant...