Looting and my Grandpa - Page 9

skipdup · 09-01-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by DaveE
Thanks Steve. I feel like I've accomplished something.

I just hate the idea of someone getting his head blown off for lifting a loaf of bread. Keeping order is great but people have to eat too.

DaveE- Do you really think the problem in NO is people taking food? PLEASE take you head out of the sand!!!!

johnco · 09-01-2005, 06:04 PM

other than standing a great chance to lose everything we own, everything we've worked for, no problem! we're much better off than all the people in New Orleans and surrounding areas. at least we have food, water, a place to live, jobs. it's going to be a hard time for everyone, but we're used to that. Cajuns have always made the most out of the very least. look at where we've made our lives... life goes on.

will944 · will944's Garage

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
Totally agree but you will not see the same thing coming from the liberals. That would be shooting their supporters and we could not have that.

Joe A

....I hear ya brotha!!

Serge914 · Serge914's Garage

Cameron, I agree with you that it is a people thing.

Louisiana is the poorest part of the US I believe, and the peoples that were left stranded in NO are the 10% of the population that are either too poor or not smart enough to leive the place.

It was almost predictable.

pwd72s · 09-01-2005, 07:07 PM

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I seriously think it is a people thing. I dunno why, either, but I do. It feels like the gun thing (the fascination with owning guns and the mentality to use it to get what you want/fear).

(edit) Let's not start a gun debate here, it's not worth it. [/B]

What a load of KRAP Cam...try to start a gun debate, then say you don't want to...this is NOT the time to preach socialism, okay?
Save it for your next anti Bush, anti war tirade...

John, hang in there...$$$ are one thing to fret, but I've been in deep financial doo-doo myself as a small biz man. In light of a catastophe like this? When the time is right, give your creditors a ring...it once amazed me how understanding other biz men can be. Thanks to their understanding & patience, I pulled myself out of a crisis...perhaps you can too. In the meantime, focus on right now...keep yourself & your loved ones safe as best you can. Damn, we're pulling for you here...

targa911S · 09-01-2005, 07:12 PM

You go 72. I'm NOT a Busch man, but this is not the time or place.

And I DO own guns.

Hang in there John. We're hangin' on every post. You are the REAL eyes and ears of this on the inside. Not some talking head.

pwd72s · 09-01-2005, 07:20 PM

Speakin' of inside...anybody heard from Schuie lately? Sherwood...Pelican calling...

Cdnone1 · 09-01-2005, 07:27 PM

I was going to suggest to DaveE that he could take his head out of his @ss but skipdup said it better.
To first suggest
"Maybe we could enlist the aid of those who volunteered to go to the US / Mexican border and shoot illegal aliens, see if they could go to New Orleans and shoot the looters."
and then "I just hate the idea of someone getting his head blown off for lifting a loaf of bread. Keeping order is great but people have to eat too. "
shows that you have no grasp of the inhumanity some animals are preforming on other people in NO
steve

flyenby · 09-01-2005, 07:47 PM

I do not nor have I ever supported Gun Control....

Neilk · 09-01-2005, 07:58 PM

I support gun control 100%.

But *****, what's going on in N.O. demonstrates the NRA's position that people kill people, not guns. When you have a bunch of lawless thugs looting Walmart for guns as well as taking their illegals guns out, what can you but defend yourself with legally purchased guns? I almost want to get a gun myself in case a catastrophe strikes Dallas.

One question though, were was the planning? After 9/11, I thought that massive contingency plans would have been made for disasters. Did Homeland security only plan for massive disasters in which survivors weren't expected?

flyenby · 09-01-2005, 08:03 PM

Does the one question really matter? look at what is happening

johnco · 09-01-2005, 08:18 PM

"Louisiana is the poorest part of the US I believe, and the peoples that were left stranded in NO are the 10% of the population that are either too poor or not smart enough to leive the place."

evacuating for a hurricane means you grab whatever you can carry, either find transportation or drive for days trying to find somewhere to stay. trying to find a motel room or relatives that will take you in. trying to find money to pay for this, never knowing how long you'll have to pay for a room, if you can find one. never knowing how long it will be before you can return. And not knowing what will be there when you get back home if you even have a home. not everyone can afford this. not everyone can do this. We've endured hurricanes all along the coast since man has lived here. most of the time there's no where near this destruction. 99% of the time there is just minor damage for most people, electricity is off for a few days. no one knew this one time would be this bad. most people left, some people stayed home. it's like you know your going to get caught speeding one day but you keep doing it anyway, then you have to pay. now even the ones that left have lost everything. with no money, no where to go, no jobs, no homes, the people that left are not that much better off then the ones that stayed. people do stupid things... like building houses on cliffs that slide off with the first rain, living in earthquake zones, and staying home for hurricanes. don't try so hard to make sense of it

pwd72s · 09-01-2005, 09:58 PM

Well said John...it's a between a rock and a hard place thing. No actual "good" choice to make. Your posts here amaze me...the way you speak so frankly, so calmly of such a bad experience. The way you're holding it together? You're the man...

flyenby? Got it...you support the 2nd amendment.

speeder · 09-01-2005, 10:09 PM

Johnco, is it flooded where you are, or no?

RoninLB · 09-01-2005, 11:07 PM

the perfect 100yr storm hit from the Gulf. If my perfect storm hits there won't even be real estate to return to.

During evacuations I have access to a newer local gov't bldg that was built to enable a 20ft surge so I ain't ever leaving.

I also deal with a 100&75yr wave that happens without a storm. Almost no warning.. wham bang it's over. Oh yeah, the 75yr storm breaks on my roof. I literally live on a sandbar. I've lived here since day one. I religiously feel that if the ocean wanted me it has sure fooled me. I'm at the religious point that when the last moments of life are around because of the ocean I'm relaxed. If it wanted me it sure hasn't shown it. "don't try so hard to make sense of it"

Otherwise.. this event may influence state social and economic policies for the next 50yrs. If you go to war you know your people will suffer some death. When you model a city+ who becomes expendable and at what costs is an issue sometimes. Is the group worth spending $10-50b on preventing a disaster of death? How much does loseing 25% of the population cost? How much state taxes does the population want to pay?

I think an issue of federal $ somehow supporting dangerous areas will be an early issue? Right now a house can be built a stone's throw from high tide, on a sandbar, and next to a serious inlet around here because everyone knows the fed will give out new Fed backed Flood Insurance policies. If it's a 2nd home you already know that every 10-40yrs you'll have a completely new house.

how about federalism. is the gov't going to mandate? and maybe the state taxpayer doesn't want to pay for the protection? For sure Fed energy policy will have a new wedge to support an issue.

I think Refinery Locations is maybe #1 on the hit parade? It's like the state politicans support holding up licences because it gets them reelected by the "not in my backyard" voters. It's like getting papers to build a nuke plant.. not to get started about other stupid fed eco energy policy because it gets those belt way pols erelected getting greenie support.

It's not like the gov't is putting the enery sector out of business by not supporting them more? It's like the energy sector gets big bucks and the pol get reelected.. party hearty.

CamB · CamB's Garage

Not the place for a gun debate - I agree. Happy to leave it.

Hell, if I was in NO, I'd probably want a gun right now: CNN tells me they're shooting - unprovoked - at police on top of the police station.

I note CNN this morning that the National Guard is going in with orders to "shoot to kill" (whatever that means once the military lawyers have finished defining it to the nth degree), so I guess you're getting your wish Paul.

I've thought more about my last post, and read some of the replies, and watched tv a little. I think the problem is that the majority of people likely to descend into anarchy are included in the people who stayed behind - whether through lack of transport or means to leave, a desire to loot (surely a minority - it has to largely be opportunist at least when it began), or because leaving might expose them to unwanted attention to the authorities. THe city might well have become a kind of time bomb, and the scale of the hurricane's impact has set it off...

Just as an aside, I wonder to what extent drug addictions are affecting people's behaviour both in the streets and in the Superdome.

Actually, further thinking. I wonder how much of the looting is driven by people who have lost everything and are uninsured (I'm not condoning it - trying to understand). I can't believe it is all career criminals.

DaveE · 09-02-2005, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by Cdnone1
I was going to suggest to DaveE that he could take his head out of his @ss but skipdup said it better.
To first suggest
"Maybe we could enlist the aid of those who volunteered to go to the US / Mexican border and shoot illegal aliens, see if they could go to New Orleans and shoot the looters."
and then "I just hate the idea of someone getting his head blown off for lifting a loaf of bread. Keeping order is great but people have to eat too. "
shows that you have no grasp of the inhumanity some animals are preforming on other people in NO
steve

Steve, I think I have a pretty good grasp of what's going on down there. My initial comments were directed to the original theme of the post, looting. Yes, I was being sarcastic. Obviously snipers need to be dealt with in whatever means necessary, as do armed thugs that are perpetrating violence on everyone in sight. This thread started with how to deal with looters and I think at this point there is so much more for everyone to be concerned about rather than a loaf of bread or, yes, even that prized big-screen TV. I hope you can grasp that.

RoninLB · 09-02-2005, 04:10 AM

herds of armed junkies that need a fix and don't give a $ h it about anything but feeding the Jones, so says the mayor of NO.

6:30am.. EST
there was a massive explosion at a rail yard catering to chemicals that officials haven't figured out then with a large cloud of unknown smoke heading to the ctr of the city at the Superdome.

notfarnow · 09-02-2005, 04:44 AM

Listened to an interview with the Mayor of NO this morning. Pretty amazing to hear, and more than enough to make me sit back and shut up. Obviously, it's all too easy for people like me to watch the news and make bold declarations about how it is, or how it ought to be.

Primarily, the interview conveyed a deep sense of desparation. It truly is a horrific situation, and my heart goes out to anyone in the area, or anyone with family in the area.

I just can't imagine how awful it would be, as an official, to have to call off search & rescue operation in order to deal with looters & thugs. What an aweful decision to have to make.

Mule · 09-02-2005, 04:49 AM

This shows that the ghetto culture that MTV has promoted to the youth of America is a tick away from Mogadishu style warlord fuedalism. There is no racism in calling it what it is.

A close friend who is working search & rescue called yesterday. He was pulling up to rescue 2 guys from a roof. One guy had a hand behind his back. As the boat got close, home boy starts to pull his pistol out to "boatjack" my friend. However when the .45 slug from my friend's pistol strikes him in the chest his plan falls apart as he ends up flipping backwards over the peak of the roof. The next OG ups his pistol with the movie star ghetto gangster sideways position. To quote my buddy, you can't hit an elephant like that. My friend puts 2 .45s in his chest. I said "what did you do then?" "We went on to the next house" he said.

Ray Nagin is no punk but he does not have the manpower to deal with a situation like this. Bush is the punk (I voted for him twice). He stands there with that A. E. Newman looking grin & talks about what all he will do. When you've been stranded on an overpass with no food or water for 3 days that rings pretty hollow.

THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN A NORTHERN CITY. New York had truckloads of fed help in minutes on 9/11.