Appeasement 101

[island911]

Originally posted by dhoward
. .. . Still have a Kerry sticker on your car?
...

LOL

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Where is that Oh Jeez not this ***** again pic?

OBL killed 3000 Americans. He should be dead.

Your apology for not capturing and killing him is sick, warped, twisted, and defiles the memory of every single person killed on 9/11.

[Rick Lee]

Shaun, no one disagrees with you that UBL needs to be taken out. I'd like to have his wives and kids tortured to death, video taped and shown to him before setting his beard on fire and then feeding him to starved rats. But I digress..... His death or capture will not make us safer. It'll just make us feel better.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
Shaun, no one disagrees with you that UBL needs to be taken out. I'd like to have his wives and kids tortured to death, video taped and shown to him before setting his beard on fire and then feeding him to starved rats. But I digress..... His death or capture will not make us safer. It'll just make us feel better.

Rick, I think Jeff, Glenn and many like them don't think OBL needs to be taken out. Heck, bush doesn't think OBL should be taken out, he has said exactly that.

It doesn't look like we're going to convince each other on the secondary motive for killing OBL, that is it will make us safer by removing a spiritual leader capable of directing minions to their death at our expense. No leader, no one to tell them to pilot aircraft into buildings, and I think we all know your average terrorist doesn't wake up and say, hey, I've got to take flying lessons in an effort to destroy American, and its Freedom I hate so much.

Doesn't happen.

[Rick Lee]

Well, it's not like we can send troops into Pakistan, a nuclear power and UBL's likely hiding spot. We have not been invited there and probably won't be, if Musharraff wants to keep his job and his head. The best we can do for now is keep forces on the Afghan border and keep the pressure on Musharraff to do what he can in that part of the country, which BTW, the central gov't. does not control. I think it's tough for most Americans to understand that there are parts of several countries where the central government has little or no control. UBL is exploiting just such a situation, since it exists in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by dhoward
"Stolen power"? Give it a rest.

Diebold.

Oh, and I've read Osama bin laden's "Letter to America - 1998", I know how crazy the dude is.

http://michaelreport.com/history/east/arabs/usama_bin_laden.html

[RKC]

His death or capture will not make us safer. It'll just make us feel better.

This is crazy. Exactly how much safer we'd be if OBL was killed or captured we can argue about. But to say we wouldn't be safer at all but would only feel better is craziness.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
Well, it's not like we can send troops into Pakistan, a nuclear power and UBL's likely hiding spot. We have not been invited there and probably won't be, if Musharraff wants to keep his job and his head. The best we can do for now is keep forces on the Afghan border and keep the pressure on Musharraff to do what he can in that part of the country, which BTW, the central gov't. does not control. I think it's tough for most Americans to understand that there are parts of several countries where the central government has little or no control. UBL is exploiting just such a situation, since it exists in both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

And the reason why we have supported Musharraff and made Pakistan an ally is what exactly?

If we wanted to go into Pakistan with a division with Musharraff's blessing, we could. If we wanted to send in a team of 20 Special Forces without Musharraff's blessing, we could.

What's the sense of being a superpower if all you can do is invade countries?

[Nathans_Dad]

The lease on Prince Sultan Airbase expired and the Saudi government did not want to extend it. It's that simple. And YES we do have other Airbases in the area that are not advertised to the public. I spent 4 months at one of them...

[techweenie]

I think it's fair to say we appeased the Turks in order to have use of a major airbase there.

There was the little matter of overlooking the killing of something like 30,000 Kurds by the Turkish government.

[Jeff Higgins]

Shaun, I do believe we need to capture OBL. I believe even more so that we need to understand him, the radical Islam he subscribes to and the region/cultures that have spawned both. I do believe that capturing him will make us safer, at least for the moment. I also believe that ultimately some one else will rise to take his place.

In his own words we may be able to find a long term solution to what he represents. Capturing him, or his underling in Iraq, or any other man in the power structure of Al Quaida is only a short term solution. We have to understand what makes all of this attractive to these men and address that. Make it less than attractive, less romantic, for young men in those regions to pursue. Make it difficult to attract new recruits to replace the ones we take out or take out themselves. Maybe capturing OBL would have that affect; I don't know. I don't understand what motivates these people. Hopefully OBL himself has unwittingly told us, has give us some more insight with which to understand.

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Where is that Oh Jeez not this ***** again pic?

OBL killed 3000 Americans. He should be dead.

Your apology for not capturing and killing him is sick, warped, twisted, and defiles the memory of every single person killed on 9/11.

This thread is asinine. Do you really think we are not looking for OBL? And for those "20 Special Forces", how do you know or not know what resources are being used? It is right for Bush not to stake the success of his Presidency on the capture or killing of one person. Plenty of others that need rounding up and killing too..

[RKC]

Plenty of others that need rounding up and killing too..

Right on, brudda....Liberals, NY Times reporters & staffers, McCain and his anti-torture buddies, everyone in California, the French, liberal judges....wait, maybe we should get the judges first to smooth out the legal end of things....

LOL! Now we're getting somewhere!

But wait a minute, if we kill half the population, what will happen to the housing market? Maybe we better rethink this...

[dhoward]

Originally posted by Jeff Higgins
Snipped.....
I don't understand what motivates these people.
...Snipped

and neither does anyone else on this board.

[red-beard]

Excerpt from the diary of a Goon:

It's not always easy to come by a good job. You can't really advertise "Hired Goons needed for evil plot to take over the world" in the local paper. Most of our work comes by word of mouth, we're kind of like a guild, unofficially of course. We tried to unionize back in the 60's, but we learned rapidly that evil geniuses are usually unstable and not afraid to throw entire workforces into the piranha tank, even if it means the death ray isn't ready on time.

One guy was so stubborn at the bargaining table we just came to call him "Dr. No" and we didn't really stand by him when you-know-who came calling.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

You guys on the right have way overthought this war on terror thing.

If you kill the generals, the foot soldiers will lay down their guns.

It's been this way for thousands of years. No reason to think it's changed now, or ever will.

[Tobra]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Rick, I think Jeff, Glenn and many like them don't think OBL needs to be taken out. Heck, bush doesn't think OBL should be taken out, he has said exactly that.

reading comprehension>you

I don't think I have ever heard anyone say that.

OBL is not long for this earth in any event. He is on dialysis, which is not a condition condusive with long life. If it were up to me, I'd feed him some bacon, or give him a pork over coat and shoot him in the liver. Clearly the world would be a better place if he were not drawing breath, but do you honestly believe the terrorist network will fold up and say, "Sorry, our bad, go back to what you were doing." if OBL turns up with his tongue hanging out his throat? Few guarantees in life, but I guarantee you there are lots of very scary people who are doing nothing but working on getting this guy.

The Islamic Extremists are an entire group of people who want us and our way of life obliterated from the face of the Earth. Nothing short of that will make them stop. When OBL is dead, another will take his place, and OBL will be revered as a martyr, simple fact. You can't reason with them, or give them a cookie. You kill them all.

[widebody911]

Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
You guys on the right have way overthought this war on terror thing.

If you kill the generals, the foot soldiers will lay down their guns.

Whaaa? No, the majors and colonels, etc, jockey for position and move up to fill the vaccuum.

[Superman]

Originally posted by Rick Lee
Well, it's not like we can send troops into Pakistan, a nuclear power and UBL's likely hiding spot. We have not been invited there....

Uh huh. Korea too. It's not like we're tough enough to pick a fight with a scary nation like Pakistan. Nope. We've got to pick our victims carefully. Iraq is harder to handle than we thought.

Y'know, we had a name for kids on the playground in grammar school who only picked on the wimpy kids.

Oh, but Dubya is a brave, courageous leader. Right?

[Rick Lee]

WTF does your comment have to do with anything? Are you suggesting we invade Pakistan and are now in Korea as occupiers?