and who did you call today?

[Moses]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Moses - no whipped cream?

Wouldn't work. Seriously, you should try this recipe. It's my familys favorite desert. Easy and fantastic. I forgot to mention I add sugar to the sliced berries and even a little to the sauce if the berries aren't sweet enough.

[on-ramp]

who polices our government when they break the law?

[M.D. Holloway]

I always cut the berries when we get them in, add some suger and put them in the fridge. Strawberries ALWAYS go moldy in about 2 days left unattended.

I will try it, love the Bisquick. Nice hi-jack BTW!

[914GT]

Amazing. The IRS practically knows what underwear you have on and people are worried about a phone call list.

[Jeff Higgins]

*69 patches you right through to the NSA database. They know who just tried to call you...

[techweenie]

Originally posted by on-ramp
who polices our government when they break the law?

Well, it used to be the press, first, but they've all turned into lapdogs.

So ultimately, it's you and I.

[914GT]

Proof that exposure of NSA programs during the Clinton administration resulted in a big yawn from the media. Note that the USA Today didn't rehash this story but picked an old New York Times story instead.

[914GT]

The NYT actually defended the NSA's programs in this May 1999 article:

“Few dispute the necessity of a system like Echelon to apprehend foreign spies, drug traffickers and terrorists….”

and assured readers with this quote:

“...that all Agency activities are conducted in accordance with the highest constitutional, legal and ethical standards.”


How 'times' have changed.

[nostatic]

umm...echelon is about internation communications. The current NSA stuff is calls WITHIN US BORDERS.

Times have changed, but so have the targets. At least from what the public has been able to learn.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by nostatic
umm...echelon is about international communications.

Source???

I do understand that international transmissions were monitored, but do not recall a limitation barring domestic mining. Hell, I could be wrong

[914GT]

I suppose the next uproar will be over Qwest's privacy policy.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by nostatic
so how about if the NSA is listening to those calls? That OK too?

The NSA has monitored almost every call to and from the states for years. "Carnivore" is the name of a in-house computer program that the NSA and FBI used to monitor EVERY frigging call going in and out of America.

Its a adaptation of a program that the Germans made for Saudi years ago. Every internal phone call made in Saudi is monitored by computers. Key words like bomb, gun, explosive, and so on are flagged in normal conversations then a human listens to the tape. If its "interesting" then they send the police by the house for a "discussion" so to say.

Personally I do not have a problem with someone listening to any of my overseas calls if it helps find terrorists. Regarding someone knowing who I call here in the states, well, I am not overly excited by it but as long as they do not get my receipe for BBQ ribs and potato bread life will continue.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/carnivore.htm

[nostatic]

we're not talking about overseas...the lists are domestic calls, and the question is: is it OK for the NSA to listen to any domestic call they want?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
we're not talking about overseas...the lists are domestic calls, and the question is: is it OK for the NSA to listen to any domestic call they want?

The story is a retread. This is no news. This should not have been news in the first place. It is intended to undermine and sabotage Hayden (he is the right demon de jour) and Bush. There is no evidence, other than a wished for perception manipulation, that Bush is using the wiretaps for anything more than stopping attacks on America and American interests. It is treasonous to air our strategies and tactics. It is a leak and it is making us more, not less, vulnerable.

The scandals here are 1) the leak and 2) the false perception, orchestrated by the DNC and broadcast willingly by the leftist press, that Bush is doing anything other than protecting us.

[nostatic]

is it ok for the NSA to listen to domestic phone calls?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
is it ok for the NSA to listen to domestic phone calls?

Yes.

Do you believe Bush is misusing his powers with fascistic objectives?...or is it more likely that this retreaded story was repackaged to demonize Hayden and Bush?

This NSA wiretap retread falls under the category of damned dirty intentional misinterpretation.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Give the government an inch, they take a mile.

I hope you enjoy your weekly anal probe starting on Monday.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by BlueSkyJaunte
Give the government an inch, they take a mile.

I hope you enjoy your weekly anal probe starting on Monday.

Would another 9-11 or worse change your mind?...I personally think we should ship all faithful Muslims to their country of origin, burn down their mosques, and drop a nuke on Mecca during the Haj.

Seriously, would another 9-11 or worse change your mind?

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by techweenie
Well, it used to be the press, first, but they've all turned into lapdogs.

So ultimately, it's you and I.

Lapdogs??? Well, guess that since you are a liberal then they are YOUR lapdogs. They are far from being a lapdog in the way that they act towards conservatives.

They SHOULD be impartial and report the NEWS, kinda like thats why they are called the "news media" but now the majority of them report what they want and try to influence local, national and world affairs.

Sad state that both our govt and the press has become...

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by nostatic
is it ok for the NSA to listen to domestic phone calls?

It depends