My Son Asked “Dad, whats Abortion?”

[Jims5543]

Originally posted by kach22i
It seems that the same ones against abortion rights are also willing to say there is no poverty in the USA, and that no one goes hungry. Difficult situations to imagine unless you have experienced them first hand.

unable to imagine themselves in that position...................this phrase answers most narrow mined views which are often born of ignornace and self denial.

Not against abortion rights I am against abortion and that is my personal choice based on my moral beliefs.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

It should be between the woman, her conscience and her doctor - nobody else. Period.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
It should be between the woman, her conscience and her doctor - nobody else. Period.

The State does not belong in medicine. If the Terry Schiavo case didn't make that clear, nothing will.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

100% agreed.

[Nathans_Dad]

Tech I think you are using an extreme example to justify all elective abortions. First, let me say that I am not sure exactly where I stand on what role the government should have or not have with regards to abortion. Even though I am anti-abortion, I don't think it is my right to keep someone else from having an abortion if that is their choice. I simply think that people should quit trying to rationalize it or sugar coat it to make it more palatable to them. If you want to have an abortion then that is your choice. It is legal in this country. But please stop telling yourself that the baby is better off dead or that you didn't REALLY kill another human being.

Elective abortion is killing a child for convenience, plain and simple.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
boy, the crickets sure chirped in response to this one...

It was a stupid comment. It happens all the time. In fact, I know a woman the product of a rape, whose adopted family loves her and whose mother doesn't suffer with the psychological trauma of murdering a child. There are many many pastors who have adoption programs for woman contemplating abortion.

Ignorant comments don't require a response, necessarily.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by techweenie
The State does not belong in medicine. If the Terry Schiavo case didn't make that clear, nothing will.

Nor do self-interested husbands who have moved on with their lives and tell the parents [Terri Schiavo's in this case] in essence to "fuk-off."...Those types of ex lovers have no place in a woman's life.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Elective abortion is killing a child for convenience, plain and simple.

Right, and all these defenses for abortion (rape, incest, life of the mother) are so insignficant as to be far-fetched exceptions to the rule...The rule is that abortion has become birth control, promoted by the big-business of abortion (state-subsidized quite frequently).

Abortion has solved no societal ill, in fact it has compounded them...Abortion encourages promiscuity, increases un-intended pregnancies and ruins the psychological health of millions of women.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Jim Cesiro
Not against abortion rights I am against abortion and that is my personal choice based on my moral beliefs.

Same here, and I think the state should not impose my personal beliefs on others.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
It was a stupid comment. .

not stupid. hits too close to home.

YOU are staunch anti-abortion. How many babies have YOU adopted?

I'm sorry, but put your money where your mouth is. You are very quick to judge and prescribe for others, but you don't want to back it up with action.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Tech I think you are using an extreme example to justify all elective abortions. First, let me say that I am not sure exactly where I stand on what role the government should have or not have with regards to abortion. Even though I am anti-abortion, I don't think it is my right to keep someone else from having an abortion if that is their choice. I simply think that people should quit trying to rationalize it or sugar coat it to make it more palatable to them. If you want to have an abortion then that is your choice. It is legal in this country. But please stop telling yourself that the baby is better off dead or that you didn't REALLY kill another human being.

Elective abortion is killing a child for convenience, plain and simple.

Incest and rape are not extreme examples. There were 92,000+ reported rapes in the US last year alone. How many resulted in pregnancy, neither you nor I know. Incidences of incest beyond those covered in the above number are unknown, but vastly underreported.

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Seven percent of girls in grades five to eight and twelve percent of girls in grades nine through twelve and said they had been sexually abused according to the 1998 Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Girls

93% of juvenile sexual assault victims knew their attacker; 34.2% were family members and 58.7% acquaintences. Only seven percent of the perpetrators were strangers to the victim, according to the 2000 Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law
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"Elective" abortions by your definition would include the above.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
not stupid. hits too close to home.

YOU are staunch anti-abortion. How many babies have YOU adopted?

I'm sorry, but put your money where your mouth is. You are very quick to judge and prescribe for others, but you don't want to back it up with action.

It happens all the time. I know people who actually fly to China to adopt little foreign babies...There is no shortage of loving families who would adopt. However, you are simply making excuses for infanticide. You are either defending an abortion in your life or someone close to you. They, or you, made the wrong, selfish decision...They, or you, will live with it the rest of their/your life.

The answer to not having an abortion is personal responsibility. Soon enough, when people realize they must be responsible, behaviors will change. Unwanted pregnancies will dive way below what they are now...But this really isn't what the abortion profitteers and the National Organization of Witches want, is it?

BTW...Your attempt at silencing my argument is juvenile.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by kach22i
Same here, and I think the state should not impose my personal beliefs on others.

50% of women agree that abortion should be illegal (mind you, that is with years of brainwashing by the media, that it is okay, or simply hiding the devastation and facts surrounding abortion).

[Porsche-O-Phile]

So you're FOR more government involvement in peoples' private lives. I see. How very Republican/small government/conservative of you.

Good to know where you stand.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
YOU are staunch anti-abortion. How many babies have YOU adopted?

I'm sorry, but put your money where your mouth is. You are very quick to judge and prescribe for others, but you don't want to back it up with action.

Here in Lynchburg, Va., where my ministry is headquartered, we have operated the Liberty Godparent Home - a beautiful dwelling where young girls may live after they discover they are pregnant - for 21 years. We provide their room and board, education, health care - all at no charge to them. When they leave us, they either carry their newborn child with them or they have chosen a childless Christian couple to raise their baby. It is a ministry of compassion that has touched the lives of hundreds of families.

Through our Godparent Home, we have provided the means for young girls to choose an alternative to abortion. (Girls interested in information on our Godparent Home may call toll free: 1-800-54-CHILD. Christian couples interested in information on our Family Life Services Adoption Agency may visit our website ( www.godparent.org) or E-mail us: (familylifeservices@juno.com )."


Jerry Falwell

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
So you're FOR more government involvement in peoples' private lives. I see. How very Republican/small government/conservative of you.

Good to know where you stand.

Not at all. Abortion should simply be illegal. No involvement whatsoever. No abortion=no involvement.

Good reason to keep your legs closed and not be a slut...Good reason to keep your peter in your pants...good for society.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
It happens all the time. I know people who actually fly to China to adopt little foreign babies...There is no shortage of loving families who would adopt. However, you are simply making excuses for infanticide. You are either defending an abortion in your life or someone close to you. They, or you, made the wrong, selfish decision...They, or you, will live with it the rest of their/your life.

The answer to not having an abortion is personal responsibility. Soon enough, when people realize they must be responsible, behaviors will change. Unwanted pregnancies will dive way below what they are now...But this really isn't what the abortion profitteers and the National Organization of Witches want, is it?

BTW...Your attempt at silencing my argument is juvenile.

sorry, I think you're wrong on all accounts.

So *you* want to tell *all* women what they can/can't do, but you aren't willing to personally step up and address another part of this problem. Let's just get that straight. If you are so worried about the children, what have you *directly* done about it? You evidently haven't adopted an unwanted child. Have you volunteered at an adoption center? Been a Big Brother? Work tirelessly helping unwanted or underpriveleged children? Railing on this BBS doesn't count for jack.

Are you against RU486 used shortly after intercourse?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

So you're saying that making something ILLEGAL constitutes less government involvement than leaving it legal and up to the individual?

Please. Even a sixth-grade civics student knows better than this.

Everytime something is made illegal, you need enforcement, reporting, etc. These things take money and take investigative authority - which may be otherwise called "government involvement" or "larger government" by simple extension.

You don't like abortion. Okay fine - opinion noted. So don't have one and you should be able to sleep just fine.

Next.

[Nathans_Dad]

Originally posted by techweenie
Incest and rape are not extreme examples. There were 92,000+ reported rapes in the US last year alone. How many resulted in pregnancy, neither you nor I know. Incidences of incest beyond those covered in the above number are unknown, but vastly underreported.

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Seven percent of girls in grades five to eight and twelve percent of girls in grades nine through twelve and said they had been sexually abused according to the 1998 Commonwealth Fund Survey of the Health of Adolescent Girls

93% of juvenile sexual assault victims knew their attacker; 34.2% were family members and 58.7% acquaintences. Only seven percent of the perpetrators were strangers to the victim, according to the 2000 Sexual Assault of Young Children as Reported to Law
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"Elective" abortions by your definition would include the above.

And exactly what is my definition of elective abortion Tech? I don't believe I gave one. Did you substitute your canned neocon definition??

Here's a question for you, out of the 1,000,000+ abortions performed in this country every year, how many are from a rape?

[Rick Lee]

Abortion will never ever be made illegal as a matter of federal law. It could never receive the required majorities in Congress. I think it would be best to vacate Roe v. Wade and let the states that want to ban abortion do so. At least our Constitution (specifically, the 14th Amendment) would no longer be so distorted. Sure, some states would ban it, probably with countless exceptions and loopholes and a safe, legal abortion would rarely be more than a few hrs. drive by car away. Travelling a few hours to get an abortion might offer some time to reflect on the decision, it would be less federal intrusion into states' rights and I'd have a lot more respect for the SCOTUS. Still, I doubt it would make much of a dent in the number of abortions performed in the US each year.