For those that blame crime rates on elected officials, did you know that the national violent crime rate is spiking like crazy right now after years of decline? It was in the news last week. I guess that would be squarely on the shoulders of President schit-for-brains and his AG, since it's a nation-wide trend, right? :)

The truth is that crime trends are not that simple. Who is to say that the rate would not have been twice as bad w/o Jerry Brown as mayor? (Not saying that is the case, just trying to make imbeciles understand statistics).

As for mowing down anyone trying to kill or seriously injure you, I'm all for it, but it does not always go smoothly if there are a lot of them. There are endless stories of mobs pulling people out of their cars. During the L.A. riots in '92, I was driving downtown on Olympic in my old Ford PU truck w/ my GS dog and a .357 w/ a couple of extra speed-loaders full of hydrashocks when I saw an intersection blocked-off ahead where a mob was pulling people out of their cars and robbing/beating them. I simply detoured one block north and bypassed the intersection, I knew that I would never make it downtown to retrieve my GF at work if I drove into it. And believe me, I was fully prepared to do some killing and maybe some dying that evening. :cool:

Bring it on, Homies!!


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Well the stories are out there...

You are welcome to come repoing with me in Philly any night your heart desires.

Afterwards you can tell me if i'm a 'big man' or not.

More realistically for me . . .


Bring it on, Homies!



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Yeah, yeah. I had disposal of a sawn-off twelve gauge pump my old man implored me to carry. That's after driving through Dante's Inferno on Beverly where the cops were just looking around like frightened children.

A pump shotgun in a Ford Mustang. What a joke!

Nope, i cautioned against exceeding a certain impact speed. Just off idle you can run over all the rampaging minorities your heart desires.

I have a firearms permit, and if i'm in a neighborhood like that i typically have FOUR extra magazines with me, for a total of 76 rounds.

So yeah...i'd be about as ready as can reasonably be expected. Hell, if i was working at the time i'd also be wearing Class IIIA Body armor with a class IV ceramic insert(protection from .44 mag/.30-06 AP). I am also a trained ex-infantryman.

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A private individual has much more permissive ROE than a US Military troop does.

Repeat after me: "A fear of grave bodily harm or imminent death is the threshold for justifiable homicide."

Which would CLEARLY be the case in such an instance.

Sorry sport, surrender is not how i handle situations like that....but if it works for you.

Whatever, chief! You're a walking nuke here to save your world and all else's. The obits face the funny pages in some newspapers.

I don't read the newspaper.

But the offer stands. Anytime you want. Oakland has NOTHING on North Philly, i assure you. :)

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So what was the point you were trying to make?
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None. I only asked some questions.
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Hardly, just asking a question. You set up your own conclusion and then ask why the conclusion is good?

Why is that?

In my unqualified opinion, situation like that is fight or flight.

Five years ago in Encino a couple guys in a white Escalade (no plates) tried to take my 73T from me. I decided I didn't want them to have her so I fled (in car), and they gave chase. I drove over speed-bumps at 60mph, blew a stop sign doing a blind right turn to get to the freeway. I was already doing 70 at the base of the onramp and accelerating when they decided to stop chasing me.

First thing I did when I got home was put a revolver in my car with a couple of speedloaders. Next time, fight not flight.

And don't forgete about the old man who took out 13 people with his Buick at the Santa Monica Farmer's market. Sure, it was an accident, but think how much better you could do if you were actually trying...

Is that offer open to anyone, or just dd74?

You're just a tough talking BS artist Hatpix!(sarcasm)

To those that flee, they will never understand the mentality that tells others of us to stand against long odds and fight...and vice versa.

“In every battle there comes a time when (one or) both sides consider themselves beaten, then he who continues the attack wins.”
~US Grant"

"Fortune Favors the bold"
~Homer

"Nothing is impossible in war provided that it is implemented with sufficient audacity"
~George S. Patton

"When faced with imminent defeat, attack."
~Col. Hal Moore, US 7th Cavalry

But eh, WTF do those guys know...just a bunch of tough talkers, right DD74?

Certainly. If you're ever in Philly, shoot me a PM. Repoin' in the hood in a vintage 928S is good stuff. :D

(I even have extra body armor)

I think for whatever reason you are reading way too much into my questions.

Those are just my observations, having spent time as a visitor in NYC and California quite a bit since the late 80s. I remember NYC being dangerous in many ways, and certainly the perception changed quite a bit during Guiliani's time as mayor. It seemed to me the perception among NYers was that it was a safer city, esp. after dark, was there. Areas that people would tend to not go to after dark seemed to be viewed as safer, and people would actually go there.

NY'ers, at least as expressed to me, seemed to credit Guiliani with "cleaning up" the city.

Perception not equals reality? Maybe. I don't know.

As far as Brown in Oakland, do people believe he is going to be a force in reducing crime or cleaning up the city? My perception is that no, most people don't think that, or think that he has ever done so in his past stints.

As far as crime statistics, I'm not sure what they mean or how to interpret them. That event in the video, for example, likely will not be recorded as a crime statistic anywhere. At least not in its entirety.

There's a bunch of different issues. It does seem that perception of safety is something that should be considered, because it changes how people act and feel. In NYC, for example, I noticed areas that were absolute ghost towns after dark. People worked there, but no one lived there or went there after dark. Once they were perceived as safe, more businesses went there, people would start to live there, go there after dark, etc. Essentially revitalized, because they were made to feel safe.

These cops need to tranfer to Oakland.

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Guiliani did a very good job in publicizing his cleanup of the city. Major efforts included stopping the window washers at intersections from bothering people, and going after the turnstile jumpers. So with less visibility, people feel more secure.

Ask the average person in Oakland about their neighborhood and they will say it's fine. There is a small area that causes all the problems.

from web sources:
"As for Brown. Violent crime decreased during his tenure, and he attempted to enact several innovative anti-crime programs, including a night curfew for convicted felons. His campaigns to fix the schools, attract new residents to the downtown area, create an "arts" city and curb crime have had mixed success.

The mayor and the manager saw Oakland's reputation as a high-crime city as its biggest bar to renewal, and though crime had been falling at the national average, that wasn't good enough for them. The two flew east to study New York's innovative crime-fighting techniques and came back convinced that Oakland needed an explicit crime-reduction target and a plan for reaching it. "I kept waiting for the police chief to tell me his goal," Brown explains. "He never did, so I got myself a new police chief.""

He has had mixed success in his endeavors but he certainly shook up the entrenched political system that was there. He has always been like that. Brown is no longer Mayor, he is now the CA AG and I look forward to seeing what he will do. I suspect he will be more pragmatic than others before him, and maybe more effective.

You live in the area - what was the public's perception in Oakland/Bay Area regarding the increase/decrease in crime during Brown? Did people feel the city became safer during his tenure? If so, did they credit him with it?

I guess our feeling is that the area of Oakland that has this trouble is well known and has been that way for years. You can drive it during the day but you leave at night. The nonsense with cars doing donuts in the streets does occur but what went on in the vid is rare. The downtown area looks better now than years before. He was trying to make things better.

But people of all races have contributed to this problem. When a group of Black Muslims went into a local Oakland liquor store in that neighborhood and destroyed most of the stock, it was to bring attention to the fact that there are more liquor stores per capita in that small section than anywhere else and they took issues into their own hands. They wanted to clean up their community. Not the best way to do it, but certainly in line with the inclinations of some posters on this board. A few days later another liquor store burned down and the owner blamed the same group. They were later arrested.

However, the police determined that the owner, not a black, had torched his own store for insurance.

The murder rate is very high but is primarily among gangs, but innocents have been killed.

I think a good mayor can make a dent in Oakland's future but it will be a long road. It is not a destination city, and competing cities like Emeryville next door have attracted new business more than Oakland. Emeryville up until the 90's was an armpit of a place and it is now finally making great progress.


I think Brown was a good mayor for Oakland, maybe the next one will do better.

Since when is it ok to destroy another's property to make a point? And what about supply and demand? Apparently there is much demand, destroying one supplier is stupid in an area where supply is plentiful. Maybe a more productive idea would have been to start a local AA chapter, reduce the demand instead.

But then again, all some people know is how to destroy things.