CCW - When And Where Do You Carry?

[kmhemi]

I carry the speer gold dots.

[swang]

In the case that anyone wants to see my weapon of choice

[jyl]

Any views on Glaser Safety Slugs or similar?

[jriera]

FN SevenFive ... great choice

Soon, very soon will got one.

Originally posted by swang
In the case that anyone wants to see my weapon of choice

[fastpat]

Originally posted by jyl
Any views on Glaser Safety Slugs or similar?

In an apartment, or if your house is extremely close to a neighboring house; then those are a good idea. They're very expensive, but significantly cheaper than a personal injury lawsuit resulting from an unintended bystander wounding.

[swang]

I keep my weapon loaded with armor percing bullets for my safety and protection. I sleep very well at night knowing it is ready for any intrusion or burgler.

I have two occasions to use the gun against somebody bad - has anyone else?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by swang
I keep my weapon loaded with armor percing bullets for my safety and protection. I sleep very well at night knowing it is ready for any intrusion or burgler.

I have two occasions to use the gun against somebody bad - has anyone else?

Armor piercing, in a handgun?

[swang]

Originally posted by fastpat
Armor piercing, in a handgun?

Why is that not acceptable?

And please tell me what this is suppose to mean?

Originally posted by fastpat
If you would not confront your neighbor demanding his money at gun point to solve every new problem that may appear in your life, why would you pay the government to do it for you?

[Jeff Higgins]

I prefer to stick with cast bullets for everything, including my own defense. I have shot a miriad of animals, of about deer size or larger, with all kinds of bullets. I have personally witnessed the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of some designs. I will say without hesitation that jacketed handgun bullets show the poorest performance on deer-size animals, by a very noticable degree. My sample size is admittedly rather small compared to others', comprising only a few dozen animals, but I have drawn some conclusions.

When hunting, there is no such thing as "overpenetration". I lean towards that philosophy regarding personal defense as well. The oft-mentioned innocent bystander that just happens to be precisely lined up to receive the exiting bullet is improbabable enough to pretty much dismiss.

The poor performance of jacketed pistol bullets, particularly hollowpoints, cannot be dismissed. They are simply unreliable. My worst personal case was with a very popular 240 grain hollowpoint driven to almost 1400 fps from my .44 mag. A whole cylinder's worth, five rounds, did not put an average size mulie down at less than 20 yards. My partner finished it with a rifle. The post-mortem examination revealed every one had broken up on the shoulder joint and failed to penetrate. I won't stake my life on such performance.

Permanent, as opposed to temporary wound channel is what puts game down and I assume stops fights as well. Most bullets open an impressive temporary wound channel that actually closes rather quickly behind it. A cutting edge, a sharp shoulder on the front of the bullet, actually removes tissue so the wound cannot close behind it. Think of pushing a pencil through a pice of paper vs. punching it with a conductor's punch. The same principal is at work in wound ballistics. Here is what I normally carry; I have killed several deer and antelope with this very load. Only one deer took a second shot, but only because he hadn't figured out he was dead yet. The first was fatal; I was impatient.



Notice the flat nose, sharp shoulder, and sharp shoulder on the front driving band. These combine to first transfer a great deal of energy (like a flat hand slapping the water) and cut a full caliber, permanent wound channel. One of the most effective bullet designs out there, the old semi-wadcutter as developed by Elmer Keith. Does not rely upon expansion to get the job done, and is deadly even at moderate velocities. My "standard" velocity .45 Colt loads drive them at just under 1,000 fps, and yet they topple 200-250 pound mulies with authority. If push ever comes to shove, this is what I want to hit the bad guy with.

[kmhemi]

Ive got a box of black talons for my 45

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by kmhemi
Ive got a box of black talons for my 45

Pure marketing hype, to the point where our rather clueless leaders bought into in convincingly enough to ban them. Go shoot something with one and report back.

[Super_Dave_D]

Originally posted by swang
I keep my weapon loaded with armor percing bullets for my safety and protection. I sleep very well at night knowing it is ready for any intrusion or burgler.

I have two occasions to use the gun against somebody bad - has anyone else?

You sound so proud!

[Rick Lee]

I keep a SIG P239 in .40 cal. with one in the pipe and an extra mag on the side of the holster in my car door pocket all the time. When I cross into enemy territory (MD and DC), I put it under the seat. When I wear proper clothing and exit the car, I carry the gun either in my SIG Tac jacket with a holster built into the inner breast pocket or in an ambidexterous leather sheath that clips onto my belt inside or outside my pants.

It's pretty cold here now, so I really need to switch to one of my .357SIG's to better penetrate winter clothing. But my P229 and Pro 2340 are kinda heavy with high-cap. magazines.

I look at it this way - the police are there to clean up the mess and take the report. They will never ever, ever prevent you from getting killed by a bad guy. I've been pulled over several times while carrying and the cops have never cared about it when I flashed my permit.

We can't carry in places that servce alcohol in VA. But that's just about every restaurant except for fast food. So I ignore that law when I can carry ultra-concealed with no chance of discovery. Go ahead and arrest me. At least I'll be alive.

[azasadny]

Here are my pistols. I don't carry them (no CCW) and only use them to shoot at the range, hence the 9mm "affordable" cartridge...

[Chocaholic]

Remember, it's not paranoia if they're really out to get you.

Unbelieveable.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by swang
Why is that not acceptable?

I didn't say it was "unacceptable", but since nearly all centerfire rifle ammo is armor piercing, and some shotgun slug ammo is as well, it begs the question, why? Most pistol ammo doesn't have the velocity to be armor piercing, is the wrong shape, and so forth.

And please tell me what this is suppose to mean?

It's a rhetorical question. It wants people (who support taxation) to justify using the government to steal money from others to accomplish things they don't want to pay for themselves.

[911boost]

The problem with the FN is the ammo is uber expensive.

Bill

[Super_Dave_D]

Originally posted by fastpat
[B]
It's a rhetorical question. It wants people (who support taxation) to justify using the government to steal money from others to accomplish things they don't want to pay for themselves.

Here we go!!!

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Super_Dave_D
Here we go!!!

Relax, don't get your knickers in a knot.

[swang]

I am sorry but not understanding too well.

You guys are all insanity, you should be lucky to grow up with the ability to own a gun and shoot someone who tries to come into your house and take your loved ones away. It is this that makes you crazy.

My house is better than a car. Or gun. My family is best of all.

Thanks but I'm not happy with you for suggesting otherwised.