F*ckin' tax collectors masquerading as cops

[K9Torro]

Comparing the civil rights movement to speeding is like comparing World War II to a neighborhood bar fight.

Todd

PS... where is that park located,

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I'll take "Rationalizations of the Brainwashed" for $500 Alex. . .

Moses already covered that one quite well.

[berettafan]

Originally posted by Moses
They are not moral equivalents. Certainly the gravity of a civil rights struggle eclipses ones fight against an unjust traffic citation. They are similar in that they both represent acts of civil disobedience, an important tool Americans have used to forge our freedoms.

A prior post compared exceeding the speed limit to rape and looting. Absurd.

I never made such a statement. Go back and read my post. Nowhere did i compare the act itself, but rather the method of justification. Your faulty summary of my comment indicates you are doing one of two things: you either are not fully reading opposing posts or you are trying to discount my opinion by twisting it into something offensive. Neither says much for you or your argument.

Are you so wrapped up in your own opinions that you can't see i was comparing the mob mentality used by drivers when they break the law by speeding?

Really Moses, how hard is it to see that?

[widgeon13]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
No, I didn't get a ticket, but I saw TWO friggin' speed traps on my 5-mile commute to work this morning. Second one pulled over a guy two cars behind me, just "in the pack" driving along like everyone else (about 45-50 in a 40 zone). You've gotta' be kidding. I guess the city revenues must be slipping with the number of overpriced home sales and building permits slipping. Wouldn't piss me off so much except who's out at 8 in the morning? WORKING PEOPLE, that's who. Yea, let's stick it to the working guys.

I just ordered a V1. No way I'm getting nailed for commuting to/from work like everyone else. That's just B.S. Sorry, don't mean to create another thread about this, but it just incensed me to see it. Springtime/warmer weather is coming - watch out people. The tax collectors are at it. Word to the wise.

What I find interesting about this thread is that no one here knows why the car was pulled over, the assumption is the individual got a speeding ticket. Perhaps there was some other reason. Following too close, driving irratically......perhaps they were looking for a specific vehicle that had been reported earlier by another motorist.

Write your congressman.

Speeding puts other peoples lives at risk, it's BS to call is civil disobedience.

[nota]

Originally posted by TheMentat
Are you trying to tell us that you don't work on Sunday Joe?

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Unless I have to and no other choice. May be forced to but its only once or twice every few months. Sunday is supposed to be the day of rest and I try to adhere to that concept. After most Saturday's I usually need it!

Yesterday was Sunday and I drove up to Flagstaff to meet the Cross Country Pelicans. Did not work one minute...

Had a lot of stuff that I did not get done on Saturday and its being done today.

Happy?

well the othodox jews who really study your ''RULES''
CLAIM alot of normal stuff is ''WORK'' LIKE DRIVING A CAR!!!
under their version of the ''RULES'' you are not following GODS PROGRAM!!!

[nota]

on speed limits and modern cars

speed limts on major roads should be vairied to suit condisions
and cars
while that would be a very complex idea
a 55 chevy is no way as safe as a modern car at any given speed
and modern sports cars are safer then the 55 chevy at twices it's speed
then there is the weather factor throw the 55 chevy on a ex-way
at the posted limit but on a wet road

one idea to really save gas and incourage small efficent cars
is allow high speed based on MPG rateings
so if the SUV gas hogs can go 45mph and the econobox can go 80mph I bet even GM can sell more little cars
cops nitemare to inforce but tranmitters and computers could radio out a cars class and limits , and a smart computer controled radar/lazar gun could be made to work at a reasonable cost

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally posted by widgeon13
What I find interesting about this thread is that no one here knows why the car was pulled over, the assumption is the individual got a speeding ticket. Perhaps there was some other reason. Following too close, driving irratically......perhaps they were looking for a specific vehicle that had been reported earlier by another motorist.

Write your congressman.

Speeding puts other peoples lives at risk, it's BS to call is civil disobedience.

You are correct, I don't. However when you come up out of a tunnel around a blind curve and right there on the side of the road in a little turn-out is your friendly neighborhood donut-eliminator with a radar gun pointed at everyone coming up out of the tunnel and around the curve and said donut-eliminator holsters the gun, gets on his bike and goes bolting after the pack, settling in behind one particular guy for no apparent reason and "lights him up", I have to question. FWIW I saw nothing to indicate why this particular person would be pulled over. They weren't doing anything else the rest of us weren't doing. Just going along (I would argue) in accordance with the CA Basic Speed Law (safe & reasonable given conditions). No tailgating, no erratic weaving, no busted windshield or carload full of guys packin' uzis or anything that I could tell. Then again the car in question was two back so who knows.

Look, I don't want this to be a "cop bashing" thread. Those guys (and gals) do a job I'd never want to do, dealing with the worst dregs of society on a constant basis and laying their mortal lives on the line to keep some semblance of order in our society. That's commendable. It's respectable. The real tragedy here is that such otherwise noble individuals have been reduced to the role of a puppet, brainwashed bunch of automoton robots whose sole function in life is to extract money from the already-strapped working public in order to fund the inefficiency and corruption of our bureaucrats. That's the real tragedy.

Moses made an excellent point earlier that it is only by standing up against and challenging laws that we protect ourselves against tyrrany. Very true. And yes, that extends to everything from giving up a seat on a bus to protesting B.S. taxation and unjustified fees against the public (what's that principle our nation was founded on again? Oh yea - FREEDOM). What's one of the biggest reasons the colonists began to organize against a corrupt government? Oh yea - overtaxation and imposition of ridiculous fees by a corrupt government (look up "Stamp Act" or "Boston Tea Party"). I see this crap as no different. It'd be nice if those tough-guy, jack-booted "defenders of society's values" actually stood up for some of them once in a while by translating the laws through the lens of common sense once in a while. It'd make their jobs and the public's perception of what they do a little better.

I have all the respect in the world and gratitude to a cop that's busting some POS car thief or home invader or robber or meth head or rapist or murderer. I can't say I've got all that much respect for someone that wastes the countless thousands of dollars my tax dollars pay for in the form of their training to be a uniformed leech for the NannyState. Just my $0.02. Seeing what I saw yesterday just pissed me off. Back to your usual ranting I guess.

[Rick Lee]

Unlike you Jeff, I'd like to be a cop for just a little while, just long enough to clean up the roads around here. I would never target speeders, but rather the hundreds of cars I see every day with broken brake lights, those who squat in the left lane and don't use their turn signals. That would easily bring in as much money as speeding tickets, really would be harder for them to beat in court and really would make the roads safer.

[K9Torro]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
You are correct, I don't. However when you come up out of a tunnel around a blind curve and right there on the side of the road in a little turn-out is your friendly neighborhood donut-eliminator

*** Not all cop's eat doughnuts , that is like saying that all Porshce drivers are weathly pricks ***

with a radar gun pointed at everyone coming up out of the tunnel and around the curve and said donut-eliminator holsters the gun, gets on his bike and goes bolting after the pack, settling in behind one particular guy for no apparent reason and "lights him up", I have to question. FWIW I saw nothing to indicate why this particular person would be pulled over. They weren't doing anything else the rest of us weren't doing.

*** Everyone was speeding , one got stopped , if the pack leader jumped over the side of the grand canyon and the others followed they just showed Darwin's law at work ***

Just going along (I would argue) in accordance with the CA Basic Speed Law (safe & reasonable given conditions). No tailgating, no erratic weaving, no busted windshield or carload full of guys packin' uzis or anything that I could tell.

*** Hard to tell what kind or brand of weapon they were carrying without conducting a search ****

Then again the car in question was two back so who knows.

Look, I don't want this to be a "cop bashing" thread.

*** Really you could have fooled me ****

Those guys (and gals) do a job I'd never want to do, dealing with the worst dregs of society on a constant basis and laying their mortal lives on the line to keep some semblance of order in our society. That's commendable. It's respectable. The real tragedy here is that such otherwise noble individuals have been reduced to the role of a puppet, brainwashed bunch of automoton robots whose sole function in life is to extract money from the already-strapped working public in order to fund the inefficiency and corruption of our bureaucrats. That's the real tragedy.

**** Hey I just found out I am a " puppet " that I am " brainwashed " and a " automoton robot " and here I was thinking I was still out there pulling little kid's out of the wrecks on I-95 most often caused by people who think it is ok to speed on our highways because it's their right to break the law ****

Moses made an excellent point earlier that it is only by standing up against and challenging laws that we protect ourselves against tyrrany.

**** So hey here is your chance , the next time you are stopped on the side of the road, tell the puppeting, brainwashed, robotic doughnut eliminating ticket writer that you will not sign the citation , I can almost promise you will get the chance to have your day in court very quickly, if you belive so strongly in your struggle this would be the very best way to start your adventure in the corrections and court system. C'mon you can do it just don't sign show them how messed up the speeding laws really are ****

Very true. And yes, that extends to everything from giving up a seat on a bus to protesting B.S. taxation and unjustified fees against the public (what's that principle our nation was founded on again? Oh yea - FREEDOM). What's one of the biggest reasons the colonists began to organize against a corrupt government? Oh yea - overtaxation and imposition of ridiculous fees by a corrupt government (look up "Stamp Act" or "Boston Tea Party"). I see this crap as no different. It'd be nice if those tough-guy, jack-booted "defenders of society's values" actually stood up for some of them once in a while by translating the laws through the lens of common sense once in a while.

**** Personally I have no problem translating the laws of the state I work for , matter of fact do it every day, and again I say that comparing speeding with the boston tea party is like comparing World War II with a neighborhood bar fight ****

It'd make their jobs and the public's perception of what they do a little better.

**** Hmmm, lets see, public perception after 42 letters of commendation, two valor awards, one life saving award, one governors award for public safety, I at least think that the publics perception is right where I want it to be. ****

I have all the respect in the world and gratitude to a cop that's busting some POS car thief or home invader or robber or meth head or rapist or murderer. I can't say I've got all that much respect for someone that wastes the countless thousands of dollars my tax dollars pay for in the form of their training to be a uniformed leech for the NannyState.

**** Man , now I see that I am a leach as well , hey is Torro a leached up puppet, working automoton, doughnut eliminator and all that other crap too, just so you know he prefers a Milkbone to a doughnut anytime, he is also really likes the fries from McDonalds too ****

Just my $0.02. Seeing what I saw yesterday just pissed me off. Back to your usual ranting I guess.

Todd

PS... I still love these postings

[Jeff Higgins]

Beautiful dog, Todd.

[berettafan]

that is a handsome animal.

[K9Torro]

Torro say's thanks guy's , actually he said where's breakfast lol, sorry about the rant above just tired this morning was a long one last night.

Todd

[CRH911S]

Someday you libs might try living your lifes and incorporating the Ten Commandments into the mix.

So Joe ole' boy, is this a safe thing to say when you're between wife 2 and wife 3? Or is that wife 3 and wife 4? I agree with you though, put your hand on a hot stove and it's gona burn. But the difference between a liberal and a conservative is the liberal is smart enough, like the cat, to not put his hand on a hot stove again...or a cold one either.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Too much bold type. . . yikes. Great lookin' G.S.! They're wonderful dogs! My uncle (U.S. Border Patrol) had two for a while (retired drug dogs).

Anyway all I'm saying is step outside the police academy brainwashing and think about who REALLY benefits from your actions on a daily basis. I've got no problem with cops going after the jackhole that's whipping in and out of traffic or cutting over four lanes at a whack to make their offramp because they weren't paying attention (cell-phone-itis) or otherwise clearly endangering others. Someone going along in a pack of cars keeping pace with them represents the LOWEST risk to other motorists. You cannot show me any valid evidence to the contrary. I defy you to. It's just an intellectually vacant position and to defend it is tragically, evidence of brainwashing.

As far as the whole thing about "speeding isn't the same as a civil rights action or the Boston Tea Party", I call bull*****. Where do you draw the line then? How much oppression at the hand of a corrupt government do you think we should tolerate then? It was ONLY a few cents on tea, right? It was ONLY being required to put up a few of the king's soldiers in your property, right? It was ONLY a few taxes to His Majesty, right? Where do you draw the line exactly? I would argue that it is in EXACTLY these kinds of supposedly "trivial" injustices that the measure of our society's resolve to be free is measured. Not in the big, glamorous, profound platitudes about freedom and equality and liberty, but in PROVING that we espouse these values by refusing to grab our ankles on demand for a bunch of do-nothing politicians and bureaucrats that could never cut it in the private sector.

Want to make a difference in safety? Fine. Go after the illegally jacked-up 4x4s driven by overly aggressive guys with "little man" complexes. Go after the kids in the ricers whipping in and out of lanes. Go after the jackholes that feel the need to cross the double yellow lines in and out of the carpool lanes whenever they damn well feel like it. Go after the schitboxes piled high with junk driven by illegal aliens that are dropping crap all over the roads for someone else to hit. Go after the cell-phone blathering self-important idiot that's drifting across lanes because he's not paying attention. And for cryin' out loud, get DPW out once in a while to clean the debris up off the roads! Speaking from a bit of a motorcyclist perspective here, that crap represents the BIGGEST hazard imaginable. Nothing like crusing down the car pool lane at 70 mph and all of a sudden there's a busted wooden pallet or someone's exhaust system or one of them Gatorade coolers sitting there. That'll wake you right up! How 'bout going after some of THAT stuff?

Oh no. I guess it's more profitable to go after commuters on their way to work in the morning. Yep. "We're upholding the law". Society would grind to a halt if it wasn't for our noble efforts with our (insurance company bought & paid for) radar guns. Keep the rationalizations coming. They're amusing.

[K9Torro]

Originally posted by Porsche-O-Phile
Too much bold type. . . yikes. Great lookin' G.S.! They're wonderful dogs! My uncle (U.S. Border Patrol) had two for a while (retired drug dogs).

Anyway all I'm saying is step outside the police academy brainwashing

*** Been so long ago I don't remember much from my academy days , so that is really not a problem ***

and think about who REALLY benefits from your actions on a daily basis.

*** Everyone benefits, think about all the people who can speed while I am out on a stop writing a citation lol ***

I've got no problem with cops going after the jackhole that's whipping in and out of traffic or cutting over four lanes at a whack to make their offramp because they weren't paying attention (cell-phone-itis) or otherwise clearly endangering others.

*** So you are saying pick and choose who we stop, don't treat everyone the same, I got it. ***

Someone going along in a pack of cars keeping pace with them represents the LOWEST risk to other motorists. You cannot show me any valid evidence to the contrary.

*** I would stop the whole pack if I could but then again when one gets stopped the others tend to slow down some , at least for a little while ***

I defy you to. It's just an intellectually vacant position and to defend it is tragically, evidence of brainwashing.

*** Thats me brainwashed, I found that out earlier, and here my wife thought it was part-timers setting in, before the all-timers starts. ***

As far as the whole thing about "speeding isn't the same as a civil rights action or the Boston Tea Party", I call bull*****. Where do you draw the line then?

*** I dont draw any lines just mentioned the lop sided comparison that was made ***

How much oppression at the hand of a corrupt government do you think we should tolerate then?

*** Sea above posting if you really feel this way, the thing to do is not to sign the doughnut elimenators citation, stand up for your rights in action as strongly as your word's ***

It was ONLY a few cents on tea, right? It was ONLY being required to put up a few of the king's soldiers in your property, right? It was ONLY a few taxes to His Majesty, right? Where do you draw the line exactly? I would argue that it is in EXACTLY these kinds of supposedly "trivial" injustices that the measure of our society's resolve to be free is measured. Not in the big, glamorous, profound platitudes about freedom and equality and liberty, but in PROVING that we espouse these values by refusing to grab our ankles on demand for a bunch of do-nothing politicians and bureaucrats that could never cut it in the private sector.

Want to make a difference in safety? Fine. Go after the illegally jacked-up 4x4s driven by overly aggressive guys with "little man" complexes.

*** Uhhh I live in Georgia, every other truck is a jacked up 4 x 4 , believe it or not I work very few wrecks involving these type vehicles ***

Go after the kids in the ricers whipping in and out of lanes.

*** The word you chose to use above to described these young peoples automobiles has racial overtones, so I will not even address your comment, as one of my fellow officers who puts is life on the line every day is from Japan ***

Go after the jackholes that feel the need to cross the double yellow lines in and out of the carpool lanes whenever they damn well feel like it. Go after the schitboxes piled high with junk driven by illegal aliens that are dropping crap all over the roads for someone else to hit.

*** another racial overtoned statement which I will not address ***

Go after the cell-phone blathering self-important idiot that's drifting across lanes because he's not paying attention. And for cryin' out loud, get DPW out once in a while to clean the debris up off the roads! Speaking from a bit of a motorcyclist perspective here, that crap represents the BIGGEST hazard imaginable. Nothing like crusing down the car pool lane at 70 mph and all of a sudden there's a busted wooden pallet or someone's exhaust system or one of them Gatorade coolers sitting there. That'll wake you right up! How 'bout going after some of THAT stuff?

Oh no. I guess it's more profitable to go after commuters on their way to work in the morning. Yep.

*** I have yet to get any of the profit as you call it from my job ***

"We're upholding the law". Society would grind to a halt if it wasn't for our noble efforts with our (insurance company bought & paid for) radar guns. Keep the rationalizations coming. They're amusing.

*** Wish the insurance company did buy them, it eats a big hole in our budget having to buy our own equipment ***

Todd


PS... why is it putting stuff in bold when I hit the quote key ???

[wludavid]

Originally posted by K9Torro
"We're upholding the law"

Correct. And it is my opinion, as well as many others here, that the law should be changed. And when/if that happens, you can go and uphold the new law.

IMO, any law that 90% of the population ignores, is a faulty law.

[Jeff Higgins]

You have to "end quote" and "end bold" every place you want to insert your own thoughts. [/QUOTE][/B] will do it. Then you have to re-start the quote and bold where the other guy's stuff starts up again. [QUOTE][B] will do it. Took me forever to figure this out, too. Damn compooters..

[tobster1911]

Originally posted by K9Torro
[B
*** Uhhh I live in Georgia, every other truck is a jacked up 4 x 4 , believe it or not I work very few wrecks involving these type vehicles ***
[/B]

When these guys start picking on particular vehicles, their own personal bias is what is really coming out. I just ignore it or poke fun at it.

Originally posted by K9Torro
[B
*** I have yet to get any of the profit as you call it from my job ***
[/B]

Uh, I got to call B.S. on this unless you can explain your previous statement better. You said, "I totally agree, in less than a week I have to pay the IRS 70K in taxes for the 2006 tax year,...". This would mean that you had income of well over $200k. That is not your average Joe just looking to get by....


P.S. the bold is due to the [ B] and [ /B] when you hit the quote button.

[berettafan]

+1 on these durn computational machines!

[K9Torro]

Hey Tobster

Let me clarify I still owe them (IRS) 70K that is on top of what I already paid which is a fairly large amount IMHO, as to my income this year it was 563K not 200K and none of it was derived from the fines collected from Speeding citations.

As to the law being changed the best forum for that change is the citizens protesting to their local representatives and congress men/women, but to tell the truth if the law was changed tomorrow to let's say 90 on the Interstates then the only thing that would change is that the speeders would be doing 120 - 130 instead of the 90 - 100 they are doing now.


Hey Jeff,

Thanks for the tip in the quote thingy.

Todd