Fred Thompson commits the ultimate sin - Page 6

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

Define: "A Good Citizen"

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-10-2007, 02:43 PM

Can I reply later tonight? I'm going out to dinner soon and want to provide a good answer.

Parting thought though: we yell and scream about our rights as citizens, whether free speech or guns, but rarely do we talk about responsibilities as citizens. What if you actually had to have Voted in the last national election to buy a gun, or give money to a campaign?

With great Freedom, comes great Responsibility. just a thought, see you later tonight.

the · 07-10-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Parting thought though: we yell and scream about our rights as citizens, whether free speech or guns, but rarely do we talk about responsibilities as citizens. What if you actually had to have Voted in the last national election to buy a gun, or give money to a campaign?

With great Freedom, comes great Responsibility. just a thought, see you later tonight.

Yes, tell us all about the importance of responsibility, character and living up to obligations. You da man!

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Can I reply later tonight? I'm going out to dinner soon and want to provide a good answer.

Parting thought though: we yell and scream about our rights as citizens, whether free speech or guns, but rarely do we talk about responsibilities as citizens. What if you actually had to have Voted in the last national election to buy a gun, or give money to a campaign?

With great Freedom, comes great Responsibility. just a thought, see you later tonight.

This makes no sense at all.

boboli · 07-11-2007, 04:43 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
[B]he once made a living as a lobbyist Joel. that's all I need to know. I spent an hour last night looking at his record. run of the mill do nothing moderate republican. he's complete forgettable in terms of his Senate performance.

Actually, according to FT himself. He was never a lobbyist.The story was a lie. I guess he now has the potential to be your new BFF.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-11-2007, 05:01 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by boboli
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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
he once made a living as a lobbyist Joel. that's all I need to know. I spent an hour last night looking at his record. run of the mill do nothing moderate republican. he's complete forgettable in terms of his Senate performance.

Actually, according to FT himself. He was never a lobbyist.The story was a lie. I guess he now has the potential to be your new BFF.

yeah, and according to everyone in prison, they're innocent. yes, Mighty Mouse was a lobbyist. Stop listening to Right Wing nut job hate radio helping to manufacture his image.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-11-2007, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by red-beard
This makes no sense at all.

I suppose it wouldn't. think Israel.

lendaddy · 07-11-2007, 05:03 AM

Shaun, Thompson never said he wasn't a lobbyist.

?????

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-11-2007, 05:07 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Shaun, Thompson never said he wasn't a lobbyist.

?????

Can you guys on the Right get your story straight. talk w/ Boboli and get back to us.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-11-2007, 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by red-beard
Define: "A Good Citizen"

easier to define what isn't a good citizen, especially with a cab hangover from last night.

In a background check, you have to worry IF you:
Aren't an American citizen
have been an American citizen for less than 1 year
Are on parole
Haven't paid taxes
Haven't paid child support
have ever been convicted of a violent crime

Let me be clear, I'm not saying you can't get a gun if any of these criteria pop up. Just that someone ought to be notified Patriot Act style.

everyone needs to sacrifice something in time of War.

lendaddy · 07-11-2007, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Can you guys on the Right get your story straight. talk w/ Boboli and get back to us.

I'm not following you. Pages back you said "Actually, according to FT himself. He was never a lobbyist"

This has nothing to do with Boboli, I am wondering what the heck you're talking about in the above quote.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 05:23 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
I'm not following you. Pages back you said "Actually, according to FT himself. He was never a lobbyist"

This has nothing to do with Boboli, I am wondering what the heck you're talking about in the above quote.

I'm the one with the hangover.

Nope. I've said all along that Fred is a lobbyist.

here you go responding to one of your posts. It's Boboli above who thinks FT isn't a lobbyist.

here's my original quote. he quoted it, snipped it, but only part way and then included what you have quoted above as his own thoughts.

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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
he once made a living as a lobbyist Joel. that's all I need to know. I spent an hour last night looking at his record. run of the mill do nothing moderate republican. he's complete forgettable in terms of his Senate performance.

I was surprised to see that he thinks Bush is handling Iraq well.

I do wonder why you guys like him so much. No one knows what he stands for. and according to his beautifully scripted web site, he doesn't know what he stands for. but it does read real nice like and he sure has a puuuurty voice.

his candidacy is manufactured. he's a combination of the emperor with no clothes and stone soup. that's the net net on Fred.

legion · 07-11-2007, 05:21 AM

Careful, he's using the Chewbacca defense.

lendaddy · 07-11-2007, 05:23 AM

I apologize Shaun, I got that wrong. The format of Bobolis post made it look like a quote from you and I didn't double check till now. You did NOT say that.

I was wrong. Sorry.

Shaun @ Tru6 · 07-11-2007, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
I apologize Shaun, I got that wrong. The format of Bobolis post made it look like a quote from you and I didn't double check till now. You did NOT say that.

I was wrong. Sorry.

Thanks, much appreciated.

While you know I love a good back and forth, I'm clearly done here and need to get some work done today.

Rick Lee · Rick Lee's Garage

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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
easier to define what isn't a good citizen, especially with a cab hangover from last night.

In a background check, you have to worry IF you:
Aren't an American citizen
have been an American citizen for less than 1 year
Are on parole
Haven't paid taxes
Haven't paid child support
have ever been convicted of a violent crime

Let me be clear, I'm not saying you can't get a gun if any of these criteria pop up. Just that someone ought to be notified Patriot Act style.

everyone needs to sacrifice something in time of War.

You don't need to be a citizen to buy a gun in a store....legally. You just need a Green Card and no felony record. Tax liens and child support don't show up there either. If you've been convicted of a violent crime, chances are 99.9% you have a felony record and the NICS check would stop the sale. In VA they don't even tell you "no". They lock the store down and call the state police to come get you for even attempting to purchase. Again, none of this stuff applies to criminals and no terrorist wannabe would bother with it either. It's too easy to get guns on the street with no NICS check. In fact, I've probably bought seven handguns on the Internet in the last year or two. All you need to have an FFL fax over a copy of his license. Think that's hard to fake?

boboli · 07-11-2007, 06:04 AM

Last night during the interview at the Freedom concert FT said he was NOT a lobbyist and the stories were false. This is what HE said and this is what I heared! Back to your regularly scheduled hangover!

lendaddy · 07-11-2007, 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by boboli
Last night during the interview at the Freedom concert FT said he was NOT a lobbyist and the stories were false. This is what HE said and this is what I heared! Back to your regularly scheduled hangover!

That was only in regards to a claim that he lobbied for an abortion rights organization.

boboli · 07-11-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
That was only in regards to a claim that he lobbied for an abortion rights organization.

Thank you my Rightwing nutjob listener of hate radio friend!

Its OK because FT already has a BFF. It is his "trophy wife"

red-beard · red-beard's Garage

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Originally posted by Rick Lee
You don't need to be a citizen to buy a gun in a store....legally. You just need a Green Card and no felony record.

Long term Visa holders with a permanent address of 3 months or more are also eligible to purchase firearms. I checked this out for some of my neighbors. They are here for 4-5 years on H visas.

I doubt he'll ever purchase one, but it is legal.

I am not sure what would happen with a student visa.

In Texas, I believe the background check includes a look at child support and violent misdemeaners.

Shaun, I do not know exactly what you were arrested for, and exactly which charge stuck. Are you eligible?

The original Sullivan Act wwas exactly what you have said. You need to be of good character. You can't be an immigrant. You can't be Negro. Etc. The same Sullivan Act is still in effect, but it now basically prevents most ownership of firearms in NY State, without getting the police and a judge to say you can.

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Originally posted by Pastor Martin Niemöller
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.