Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3485731)

LOL reminds me of the rams when they were in anaheim.
The joke goes that the scoreboard flashed:
Will the woman with the 11 kids please come pick them up, they are beating the rams 24-0.

Jaworski's opinion doesn't carry much weight with me. I've heard him say things many times that I thought were complete BS.

Joe Montana is my all time favorite QB and IMO the best that ever played the game.
I also think Brady is in the top 10, maybe even the top 5 of all time but that might be a stretch.
I have no doubt that he is either the best or second best QB that is currently playing the game.
Sometimes I think he's better than Manning, sometimes not.
maybe it's because Brady makes it look so darn easy that is seems like it's no big deal.

The reason I like the pats is because they are one of the ONLY teams in the league with class.
No showboaters, no mouths who can't shut up, no whiners or attention-whores (not to mention any names, but his initials are Terrell Owens). No stupid 'look at me" antics or rehearsed childish games in the end zone. No athlete arrests of the day.

Bellichick won't stand for that kind of low-life ghetto attitude. Heck even Randy Moss is behaving himself this year.
The pats represent what used to make football great. That team first, me second attitude is what makes them winners.
In comparison the raiders and bengals represent what is killing the sport.

Originally Posted by Jim Garfield (Post 3486096)

As far as Mule bashing Belichick - you couldn't be more wrong. He is the complete opposite of being a pompous ass, he might come off that way only because he doesn't get involved in all of the press BS

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 3486138)

I always thought Bradshaw could have been a linebacker. That guy was tough. Kinda like Bret Favre. They both can get in the face of the defensive linemen without getting intimidated.

What's your opinion of Steve Young?
Granted he had great recievers and a pretty good line, but really didn't have a spectacular running back to support him and he was still sucessfull.
For some reason he doesn't get quite as much press as his stats should get him. Lots of other quarterbacks had a better rep with worse stats. Maybe it's because he was a running QB instead of a pure pocket passer?
I don't think he was as good of a field general as Montana but being able to take off and run got him out of alot of trouble.
I know when he first came back to the NFL after that other football league folded (world?) some folks resented him becausse of the huge salary he got over there. He didn't have the personality of some of the others, maybe that hurt him.

Originally Posted by Mule (Post 3486150)

Do you mean like when he went out to mid field & acted like a complete ***** to Mangini? Classy like that?

Originally Posted by Jim Garfield (Post 3486175)

You do know that Belichick taught Mangini everything that he knows and the little, er.. fat twerp stabbed him in the back? I wouldn't shake his hand either. Belichick was pissed and rightly so. And does the sweatshirt really bother you?? Do you mean classy like a pinky ring?

Originally Posted by Sonic dB (Post 3486315)

PS: Troy Aikman has no place in discussing the top 10 QBs of all time.
He was a good QB, and a good manager of the game + good leader....
but he was never a dominating performer on the field, had tons of talent
around him, and his career ended prematurely as well.

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile (Post 3485378)

There's a HUGE difference between taking a few video clips of signals (which are varied normally every half anyway) and shooting up steroids your whole career in order to inflate your numbers. In the former case, it's a marginal advantage at best, in the latter it can take a decent player and turn them into a record-breaking gorilla.

Originally Posted by mattdavis11 (Post 3486482)

#1 all time has to be Sammy Baugh. No Sammy, no passing, and the rest would have never made history.

Brady is average at best. Had it not have been for Bledsoe going down, he'd be Ryan Leaf's croquet partner.

Originally Posted by Red Baron (Post 3486392)

And fwiw steroids by themselves have never made a decent athlete a record breaking gorilla. You either have skills and train hard or you don't. The best thing a regimine of steroids or HGH could do is help recover from an injury or keep you peaking when the body clock is starting to work against you... Since that's an entire different topic in itself, I'll leave it at that.