An observation about panhandlers...

[Dueller]

I understand the plight of the homeless and I'm truly empathetic. AND I recognize the problems associated with illegal immigrants as I live in a largely agrarian state that attracts many migrant workers.

Now it may be different in Mexifornia, but I have yet to set a hispanic panhandler. I see plenty of alleged homeless "Vets" of various ethnicities, etc but never a person of hispanic origin.

Just an observation.

PS: On a lighter note, when approached by someone holding a "will work for food" sign, some comedian said he replied "Here's an onion...paint my house."

[KNS]

I've never seen any Asian panhandlers.

[Seahawk]

Very hard...I will not handicap other races and cultures than my own, but, being half Spanish (Hispanic), I can say that when the call went out the extended family would show up and work until the job was done.
And when our extended family would call, my Mother was not about to let us put on a poor showing.
I've always thought that was a good template. The support structure was always there. There was also an expectation that working hard was the norm, that anything less was silly.


Concerning the homeless, it is never simple, often less about society than the individual. There is such a sadness in my heart when I interact with them...I am a stupidly soft touch. Good thing I live in a rural setting.

[Dueller]

Originally Posted by KNS

I've never seen any Asian panhandlers.

Come to think of it, neither have I.

[WolfeMacleod]

Google "Shaky Lady" for more info...


Shaky Lady' denies lucrative panhandling business
Toronto Star | 3-11-02 | Canadian Press


Posted on 03/12/2002 4:53:33 PM PST by Temple Owl


'Shaky Lady' denies lucrative panhandling business

Elderly Toronto beggar obtains lawyer, holds news conference

From Canadian Press An elderly panhandler known as the "Shaky Lady" held a news conference today to dispute a newspaper column that alleges she rakes in thousands of dollars a week and lives in a comfortable apartment with her family.

Margita Bangova, 66, was the subject of an expose by the Toronto Sun last week.

The newspaper reported that the woman, who her lawyer says trembles because of a medical condition, collects about $2,500 a week from sympathetic passersby on a busy corner near Yonge and Bloor streets.

Speaking through her lawyer, Leonard Hochberg, Bangova said she panhandles to supplement her disability pension of $900 a month.

He said there's no way Bangova is given as much as estimated by the Sun, estimating that she took in $80 a day during the holiday season and between $40 and $50 a day during the rest of the year.

Originally from Slovakia, Bangova lives with her son and his three children in a one-bedroom east-end apartment that has leather furniture, a big screen TV and computer, according to media reports.

Hochbery said people have been too hard on his client, adding she does not deserve the bitter backlash that's resulted from the Sun columns.

He said Bangova, who abandoned the corner since the story emerged Friday, hadn't decided whether to return to panhandling but did not rule it out.

Hochberg refused to say who was paying his fees.

[on-ramp]

this is America, the greatest country in the world. (I hope). There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to be homeless. get a job, any job, start somewhere, and develop your skills. being homeless is more in the brain , than the result of society. homeless people have simply given up hope. they need mental help first, or help from their drug or alcoholism.

[Danny_Ocean]

Originally Posted by KNS

I've never seen any Asian panhandlers.

Nor have I met an Asian guy named "Rusty"....

[Mo_Gearhead]

Saw George Lopez on HBO recently. Funny guy.
RE: His story about the Mexican work ethic and why Mexicans could never have been 'slaves'.

(Paraphrasing) The slave owner goes out to the slave quarters, assembles his Mexican slaves and says,"OK, today ... you all gotta get out there and pick ALL that cotton!"

One of the slaves steps forward, "Already done that boss ...what else you got?"

[mikester]

Well, I witnessed homelessness at its finest today - not quite sure how else to put it.

Was pulling onto an on ramp of the 405N and saw one homeless guy strangling another, I didn't know what else to do so I called 911 which takes a lot longer than it should these days. I had considered getting out of the car to try to stop it but both guys were about twice my size in my experience with the homeless population around that off/on ramp they are all pretty darned crazy. I had my wife and toddler with me in the car so, I called 911 and gave a description of what I saw.

badness.

[Dueller]

Originally Posted by mikester

.... that off/on ramp they are all pretty darned crazy. I had my wife and toddler with me in the car so, I called 911 and gave a description of what I saw.

badness.

I do think to homeless problem was/is exacerbated by the release of many mental patients that began in the '70's. Maybe warehousing them in institutions wasn't such a bad idea.

Seems that prior to that time, homeless people were homeless by choice; i.e., hobo's and such who were making a lifestyle choice.

[Hugh R]

Why would calling your 1980 Porsche SC 911 have solved the problem? I certainly wouldn't have endangered my 911 Targa over that. Seriously though, my daughter's Godfather is hispanic, (and they say I'm a racist) the type that speaks Spanglish with his brothers and sisters and Spanish with his mom and dad, and he says its cause of their work ethic. Which I agree, they work hard. My problem with the illegals is that they take more in social services than they could ever imagine paying back in. Then again, I contend that the "average" american doesn't pay his "fair share" of taxes anyway, but that's for another thread.

[kqw]

I differentiate between the truly "Homeless" and "Bum's"...

I view someone homeless as a victim of a circunstance that they are working hard to rectify and need help along the way to achieve the objective.

Somehow the category of "Homeless" has encompassed everybody from the folks needing some help to out and out Bum's.

[ChrisBennet]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

Why would calling your 1980 Porsche SC 911 have solved the problem? I certainly wouldn't have endangered my 911 Targa over that. Seriously though, my daughter's Godfather is hispanic, (and they say I'm a racist) the type that speaks Spanglish with his brothers and sisters and Spanish with his mom and dad, and he says its cause of their work ethic. Which I agree, they work hard. My problem with the illegals is that they take more in social services than they could ever imagine paying back in. Then again, I contend that the "average" american doesn't pay his "fair share" of taxes anyway, but that's for another thread.

I agree with the fact that most of us don't pay our fair shair (i.e. grade school alone probably costs more than most parents pay in taxes for example). With the illegal worker, they are "low cost" (to their employers) because you and I our our subsidizing their true cost. I'm not saying this is good our bad, just that it is. Because of the way things work in our society, this is pretty common for a lot of things.
- Houses: Non-home owning tax payers subsidize homeowners to the tune of the tax deduction home owners get.
- Trucking: I've heard that trucks "wear out" the roads more than the extra taxes they pay would compensate for. The consumer gets "cheap" lettuce from across the country but actually pays for it from his taxes.
- Pollution: In the old days, the manufacturer would save money at the expense of the "common wealth" and everyone else would pay to clean it up.
That latter case is a good example of how the government got in the act and made the polluters pay the true cost for producing their product. I suspect we are still paying for "cheap" products from 3rd world in the form of air and sea pollution.
-Chris

[SLO-BOB]

There's the "Will you buy me a sandwhich?" guy in Ottawa. He's of Asian descent.

I've never seen a Mexican panhandler. Or a Spanish one, or German one, or French one......

I guess there are plenty of those where they live.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I don't ever give money to panhandlers. I agree with on-ramp. Most of those people are there by CHOICE. I don't go out of my way to be rude to them, normally I just say "sorry, I can't help you" (which is true, in more ways than one if you think about it. . .) Anyway I also believe that (1) I value each and every dime I earn, and to give it away for nothing is foolish, (2) I cannot respect someone who will not respect themselves first, (3) it just encourages them and this sort of "I need a handout" mentality.

I don't particularly need to hear their life's story either.

[Rick Lee]

I this country I've only ever seen panhandlers who were either mentally ill or just lazy. Plenty of the just lazy ones I've even seen talking on their cell phones and wearing nice new sneakers. In other countries I've seen beggars with deformed or no legs, dragging themselves on the pavement. Even giving to them can be dangerous as a lot of them are begging for a "pimp" who keeps a close eye on them and the first sign of a donation brings more beggars out of the woodwork. It's even worse with the kids. In China they'd grab onto my legs and simply not let go. Giving money is sure t make things worse and the kids don't keep any of it anyway. The one time I almost broke down in tears was in Chongqing when I saw a girl with a head the size of two basketballs and a slouch from all that weight. I made a very inconspicuous brush pass and gave her five one yuan notes (about $.50). Anymore than that would have surely been stolen from her pail and that was easily enough to feed her for a week. She had one of those dog chew toys with the squeaker thing in it and squeezed it twice as if to say "xie xie" or thank you. That was a tough one. Usually, I ignore them and don't give a second thought.

[K9Torro]

In ref to the story above about the lady from Canada, I knew a guy (used to work with his son) that would get up five days a week and drive out to a large gas station/truck stop at Interstate 95. He would usually wear an old pair of Levi's, (the kind the kid's pay extra for these days with the holes in them), he would usually have on a nice polo shirt or tee shirt, this guy would park his Ford F250 King Ranch pickup and get a old fold up wheel chair that he bought at a salvation army store out, put on a old ragged out BDU jacket and a matching boonie hat and sunglasses, plug in a small American flag on one armrest of the chair and push it out to the stop sign at the bottom of the exit ramp, where he would sit and hold up a sign that read " vietnam vet, homeless, need money for medical treatments " , he would do this about three or four hours then go back to the truck stop and eat lunch, drink a beer and then hit it for another couple hours before coming home. He never reported his income and always got paid in cash, drinks, food, beer ect... he said that people gave him all kinds of stuff.

When I asked him why all he would say was " beats working for a living.


Todd

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by K9Torro

In ref to the story above about the lady from Canada, I knew a guy (used to work with his son) that would get up five days a week and drive out to a large gas station/truck stop at Interstate 95. He would usually wear an old pair of Levi's, (the kind the kid's pay extra for these days with the holes in them), he would usually have on a nice polo shirt or tee shirt, this guy would park his Ford F250 King Ranch pickup and get a old fold up wheel chair that he bought at a salvation army store out, put on a old ragged out BDU jacket and a matching boonie hat and sunglasses, plug in a small American flag on one armrest of the chair and push it out to the stop sign at the bottom of the exit ramp, where he would sit and hold up a sign that read " vietnam vet, homeless, need money for medical treatments " , he would do this about three or four hours then go back to the truck stop and eat lunch, drink a beer and then hit it for another couple hours before coming home. He never reported his income and always got paid in cash, drinks, food, beer ect... he said that people gave him all kinds of stuff.

When I asked him why all he would say was " beats working for a living.


Todd

Sounds like a person worthy of a good Samaritan giving him a 40 mph push start down the on-ramp in his wheel chair so he could really qualify for those medical treatments.

[Danny_Ocean]

There was a college kid here who did a study for his thesis. He dressed up as a homeless person (wouldn't that be "dressing down"?) and hit the busiest street corners. On an average day, he made anywhere from $50 to $200. Then, he went out with a puppy on a leash. His intake jumped to $100 ~ $400/day.

I don't give them a dime. There are plenty of taxpayer (read me & you) funded programs for those that really need it. Unfortunately for the homeless, those programs don't serve booze or drugs.

[Rick Lee]

I once spent a day working at a soup kitchen on Perry St. in Trenton (VERY BAD area). It was run by a Catholic church and there were a lot of nuns helping out. Some of the poor folks in there just wouldn't stop asking me for "bus fare" or whatever. They all had great stories and back then I believed them. I asked one of the nuns what to do and she told me to not even think about giving them money. She further explained we were already giving them a pretty good meal and a warm place to hang out and any money would just go for smokes, booze, lotto tix or drugs. I always remembered that.