"Illegal Aliens weren't adequately warned about fires"

[notfarnow]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

I still say we should be shooting them on site!!!

You don't even mean what you just said.

[Rikao4]

Dan I don't hate anyone..just tired of folks telling me I'm the problem.
Rika

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Clearly you don't have a clue!! How is it racist not to want to reward some one for breaking the law??? Crime rates are going up, uninsured accidents are raising our rates, and why should those of us who worked to build our businesses reward those who are breaking the law???

I think he was being sarcastic dude.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by notfarnow

You don't even mean what you just said.

Well, I wouldn't have a problem shooting people illegally crossing the border, especially after ignoring multiple signs and fences or barriers. But plenty of people who came here 100% legally become illegal when they fall out of status, often by accident due to a clerical error by an employer or school or whatever. Those are not the illegals most of us complain about. The ones crossing the desert are 100% knowingly trying to break into our country. Shooting one or two of them would make the problem dry up overnight.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Well, I wouldn't have a problem shooting people illegally crossing the border, especially after ignoring multiple signs and fences or barriers.

Well, I would! That is called MURDER and its a hell of a lot more serious than breaking an immigration law.

(I'm now waiting for the inevitable comment that I am IN FAVOR of illegal immigration)

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

I'm SO sick of the haters here.

I agree. Sometimes I feel damn proud to associate with you guys/gals here on PPOT, and sometimes the hate flows so freely that it makes me want to leave...but I will not (yet). Do those of you who spew forth this venom (on occasion) really believe in what you type sometimes? I sure hope not...

[notfarnow]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Well, I wouldn't have a problem shooting people illegally crossing the border, especially after ignoring multiple signs and fences or barriers. But plenty of people who came here 100% legally become illegal when they fall out of status, often by accident due to a clerical error by an employer or school or whatever. Those are not the illegals most of us complain about. The ones crossing the desert are 100% knowingly trying to break into our country. Shooting one or two of them would make the problem dry up overnight.

Rick, you are a reasonable guy.

If you were along the border and you saw some illegals trying to sneak in, you would not shoot them. If you saw a border guard shoot them, you would not think that was OK.

Neither would Byron.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Heard this on the radio

let me guess.....talk radio?

Listen to music instead. Your blood pressure will drop as you won't get riled up over stuff that gets blown out of proportion and/or distorted to get ratings.

[ls23h]

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

Clearly you don't have a clue!! How is it racist not to want to reward some one for breaking the law??? Crime rates are going up, uninsured accidents are raising our rates, and why should those of us who worked to build our businesses reward those who are breaking the law???

I concure... The Mexican invasion is reaching upstate NY!

[Rick Lee]

Well, why do Border Patrol agents carry anything more than a sidearm then? Are they just supposed to let them in if the signs, fence and barriers don't stop them? How in the world is it murder to shoot people illegally entering one's sovereign territory?!?!?! Why do we even have a border if we're not willing to defend it? Someday, and this day will come, a terrorist will enter the country this way. Maybe we'll even imprison more Border Patrol agents for shooting at them too!

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by futuresoptions

I say let them come over here hell, thousands of Americans have died to secure or borders and way of life, life is not worth much anyway... Almost no one pays their fair share of taxes, so why should we expect it from illegals? I think you guys are just a bunch of racists pigs... I am sure that if Europe was next door you would have no problem with uneducated, unvaccinated, non-English speaking Europeans coming into our country and inflicting a change in our way of life. I mean really grow up, what do you have to loose, your sovereignty?

This is just as stupid as the "shoot 'em" crowd. It would be even MORE stupid except it doesn't call for murder. Did anyone ever hear of a reasoned discussion? Compromise to find a WORKABLE solution? Geez.

Byron the "racist" part of your statement is part where you mention, "...the Crime rates are going up, uninsured accidents are raising our rates..." By a very short extension you seem to place the blame for this at the feet of illegals. Now I'm not saying that some of them DON'T commit crimes, undoubtedly they do. I'm not saying they don't drive without licenses, of course they do...since they can't get one. I'm saying the seemingly automatic connection of all things bad with the brown people that come here illegally is knee jerk and not helpful to understanding the problem and finding a solution for it. Citizens commit crimes and citizens drive without licenses...lots of them.

Yeah, I know, blah, blah, blah "you can't make me listen". "What part of illegal don't you understand?" I've heard it before. YES, I AGREE they are illegal. I agree they should not be here. Now if we're all done jerking off can we agree you couldn't get 8, 11 or 21 MILLION people out of our country EVEN if you could get a law enacted requiring it? Okay, since that's the case...how to deal with it? Hide your head in the sand? Order 21 million bullets? Go ahead, I know you want to say it.

[DARISC]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

I'm SO sick of the haters here.

+1!!

Perhaps some will not comprehend that "altruists to bottom feeders" refers here to "we the people" - not the illegal immigrants, most of whom are dirt poor, uneducated people who live at the most basic subsistence level and migrate to find work in order to eat - not all that far removed from "hunter gatherers".

Yes, we need to enforce our borders and it's a crying shame that our gov't. hasn't enforced the laws that demand that we do.

No, we can't be brutal, inhumane beasts in the manner in which we do it.

Those who feel that we can, really don't fully understand the concept of what America is all about - and that too is a crying shame.

[Dan in Pasadena]

Originally Posted by DARISC

+1!!

Perhaps some will not comprehend that "altruists to bottom feeders" refers here to "we the people" - not the illegal immigrants, most of whom are dirt poor, uneducated people who live at the most basic subsistence level and migrate to find work in order to eat - not all that far removed from "hunter gatherers".

Yes, we need to enforce our borders and it's a crying shame that our gov't. hasn't enforced the laws that demand that we do.

No, we can't be brutal, inhumane beasts in the manner in which we do it.

Those who feel that we can, really don't fully understand the concept of what America is all about - and that too is a crying shame.

Talk about "+1" I could not agree more.

Those of us that do NOT think we should "shoot 'em" - meaning those of us that have outgrown our Bonanza fantasies - realize these people aren't the cause of all bad things. They're here to work...yes, not ALL of them. There are bad apples in every barrel. Its why that tired old truism exists. Does EVERY citizen here legally work, or do some commit crimes and generally sit on their azzes looking for a handout?

These illegals are running TOWARD something - the American dream as all our forefathers did. A chance to improve their lot, not away from something generally. We need to find a humane way to keep them from crossing illegally. We have to do SOME FRIGGIN THING workable with those already here. We have to do something about the employers who play deaf, dumb and blind to the citizenship status of their employees. We have to do something with the Mexican, Central American and South American governments so there is less motivation for so many to come. All this takes time. This problem didn't develop in just the last couple of years; why does everyone think it can be fixed in one?

And finally, finally we have to get the Fuch over this idiot idea that simplistic bumper sticker sloganisms will ever be a soluton to complex social issues!

[Noah930]

OK, this discussion is getting a bit out of hand. Back to P-O-P's original point: is it a valid complaint (of the Hispanic illegal immigrant community) that the (US) government didn't do enough to warn and protect them during the recent wildfires? DARISC, Dan, KC911: what should the government have done to further ensure their safety and well-being? If you're the head fire dude captain of the San Diego area, should you have withdrawn some of your resources (whether it be men, fire engines, helicopters, etc.) from the actual fighting of the fires, and instead redeployed them along the border (much of it desert wilderness) to try to find people sneaking across and save them from being presumably burned to death out there? Would that have been a reasonable response? Not trying to be a hater or a jerk. Not trying to turn this into one of the typical illegal immigration rants that we have on this board every couple weeks. Just asking if it's a legitimate complaint, as presented by P-O-P in his original post.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Dan in Pasadena

This is just as stupid as the "shoot 'em" crowd. It would be even MORE stupid except it doesn't call for murder. Did anyone ever hear of a reasoned discussion? Compromise to find a WORKABLE solution? Geez.

Try jumping the fence at Nellis AFB or the NSA and tell the guys with their gun barrels pressed against your chest that you want a reasoned discussion. Use of deadly force to defend national assets is not something we usually have roundtable discussions on when people ILLEGALLY trespass. Why is our southern border any different? It is the law. Just because you're used to it being ignored doesn't make it any less of a law.

[motion]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Use of deadly force to defend national assets is not something we usually have roundtable discussions on when people ILLEGALLY trespass. Why is our southern border any different? It is the law.

In our country, this is not an offense punishable by death.

[masraum]

This is pretty ridiculous. If there were 5 folks trapped and about to be burned with a fireman standing buy, I suspect that they'd be saved by the fireman no matter what language they speak. I suspect that at least a few of the firemen speak Spanish.

The issue isn't "should they get support or aid?" The issue is "was America/California/whoever, negligent in warning them about the fire." I find it very hard to believe that there was anyone in SoCal that didn't know about the fire, if there was, it probably didn't matter what language they spoke or what nationality they were. (uh, I don't think "Mexican" is a race)

The premise of the possible lawsuits is ridiculous.

Saying that anyone in this thread is racist (which could be true, I don't know) is assinine. I don't think anyone has said "shoot all Hispanics or dark skinned people." This has to do with illegals, not all Hispanics or dark folks.

[legion]

Originally Posted by motion

In our country, this is not an offense punishable by death.

It is if you fail to yield and keep proceeding.

[legion]

Question: What do Mexican border guards do to people sneaking in from Honduras?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by motion

In our country, this is not an offense punishable by death.

This has nothing to do with punishment and everything to do with proactive defense of national assets. You don't get executed for taking an errant pot shot at the president, but it doesn't mean you won't get shot dead immediately for trying.