Who will pay for the sin of murdering the unborn?

[kstar]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

Kurt makes the point that isn't it all kind of pointless because we are left in a state already where we are paying for those who were lost in some horrific accident or whose life ended from a terminal disease. Kurt goes even further to the point that wars fall into this same question. To continue his point I would to say the holocaust is something similar that we paid for, are paying for, and will continue to pay for.

6 million Jews died in the holocaust and we will never know how their losses have effected our futures. 50 million children died at the hands of so called "death" doctors. Who knows how those lives might have effected our future.

It took something or someone to stand up and tell the world that Jews were not subhuman animals, but real human beings. This led some to take up arms and fight, to take action to stop the innocent killing. Unfortunately, it alone was not enough to get America involved. I speak up, because I want you to know that a fetus is not a subhuman group of cells, but a real human being.

This war on the unborn is not over. The deaths continue to mount, will we continue to lie to ourselves? That's why the question isn't pointless, it isn't over yet.

You totally missed my point.

Best,

Kurt

[nostatic]

onward Christian soldier!

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Oh, but it is OK to kill someone on death row. Because killing them will prevent even more murders :-/

You're brighter than that. I'm sure you understand the distinction between ending the life of an unborn child and that of a proven murderer.

[lendaddy]

Standing by for:

"Unless you've been an executioner you cannot be for capital punishment".

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

You're brighter than that. I'm sure you understand the distinction between ending the life of an unborn child and that of a proven murderer.

Proven?

[NICKG]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

Today I wear black in protest of a war within our borders and on the most innocent of life, the unborn.

35 years ago today, the Supreme court issued a confused verdict on the life of the unborn. It was a compromise on when life begins and has rights. The court agreed with both the plaintiff and defendant and made a terrible decision to split the difference in an arbitrary date on when the unborn human gains human rights.

So, after 35 years who will pay for this sin of murder and war on the innocent?

and we want to keep the terrorists OUT? seriously, almost EVERY act of domestic terrorisim to occur in the USA..since the start of the nation has been perpetrated by nut jobs like this.

[NICKG]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

Standing by for:

"Unless you've been an executioner you cannot be for capital punishment".

yea i can...my cousin was murdered by 2 guys who wanted to know "what would be like to kill" (the pizza murders in Nj 10 years ago

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa

Proven?

That should probably read "convicted" and "allegedly proven."

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S

That should probably read "convicted" and "allegedly proven."

you may want to add "potentially innocent" as well.

[WI wide body]

I think that the only true mark of the honesty and sincerity of the "pro-life" crowd is how many of those unborn children that they "saved" have they then endeavored to take care of during their formative years. So that those "saved" did not have a terrible life.

I'ts easy to get all religious and say "save the unborn" but it's also a bit mendaciuous to say to those that you have saved "Okay kids, you're on your now, tough it out."

So what is the score on that matter so far?

[MFAFF]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Surely you see the distinction between preventing a life from starting and ending one that has.

I can, but that's irrelevant, you made a post bemoaning all the ability, talent skill and knowledge that hand been lost by abortions.

What was the real point of the post... the loss of talent or the means of that denial?

If you are objecting to the means then its the life, regardless of potential that is important, if its the talent then all methods of denial should be covered..

[911Rob]

Who will pay?
Jesus did.

Great prayer there Craig (cgarr) - Amen!

Me? I'm just a sinner trying to make my way through this thing called LIFE.
Don't judge others, love them and understand that we're all in this together.

If you asked me to take a stance on the subject, I'd choose LIFE, but I'd have to admit that its my choice; not yours, Bills or anybody elses.

[BGCarrera32]

Originally Posted by nostatic

onward Christian soldier!

Onward taoist wanderer!

[72doug2,2S]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

I think that the only true mark of the honesty and sincerity of the "pro-life" crowd is how many of those unborn children that they "saved" have they then endeavored to take care of during their formative years. So that those "saved" did not have a terrible life.

I'ts easy to get all religious and say "save the unborn" but it's also a bit mendaciuous to say to those that you have saved "Okay kids, you're on your now, tough it out."

So what is the score on that matter so far?

For me personally, it was through a crisis pregnancy center 10 years ago and the lives of a white foreign student (Atheist) who ended up delivering a half black/white baby girl. The father was never part of the picture. Since then they have been apart of our lives whether babysitting, someone to talk to, or help with the American school system. The woman and girl have become part of our family in almost every way including Holidays, birthday parties, and just about every other weekend get togethers. It looks like now we will be attending her wedding this coming March. I can't imagine our life without without these two beautiful people.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by MFAFF

I can, but that's irrelevant, you made a post bemoaning all the ability, talent skill and knowledge that hand been lost by abortions.

What was the real point of the post... the loss of talent or the means of that denial?

If you are objecting to the means then its the life, regardless of potential that is important, if its the talent then all methods of denial should be covered..

Well, actually, no - some one else made that post. I would never have done that. To me, the obvious value is the life; the talent is secondary. I would find it more than a little frightening to have folks beginning to ponder the worth of any life based upon the potential talent it may bring to the table. That's a discussion I would never start.

[nostatic]

I'm still waiting to see the pictures of the unwanted kids that the OP adopted. Anyone who is pro-life obviously will want to make a better life for these babies...

[lendaddy]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I'm still waiting to see the pictures of the unwanted kids that the OP adopted. Anyone who is pro-life obviously will want to make a better life for these babies...

Do you really think this is a valid argument?

You could certainly ask him to show the broad demand for adoption but to require him personally to adopt to validate the idea is beyond intellectually weak.

[Jeff Higgins]

So, here we are seven pages into this, and once again we see the same vapid distractions introduced by the pro choice advocates. Let's see; I can rattle them off easily enough.

A) If you are pro life, you assume the burden of adopting every unwanted child.

B) No one should tell a woman what to do with her body.

C) Supporting capital punishment leaves one morally at odds with opposing abortion.

D) All pro life advocates are delusional religious zealots.

E) Preventing a life from beginning (contraception) is no different than ending one already begun (abortion).

F) It's not really a human until ____ number of days (fill in your favorite arbitrary number).

I'm sure I missed a few. The point is, pro choice advocates are willing to discuss anything at all but the only point that matters - abortion ends a life. No ifs, ands, or buts. It's that simple. No matter how you want to pretty it up and present it, that is the sole purpose of abortion, isn't it? To prevent a human from being born? That is the intent, isn't it? I see that is an uncomfortable enough realization that the pro choice crowd will cloud it in any way possible, until we hopefully start discussing something else less uncomfortable. Like religion, politics, death row inmates, anything at all. Why can't you guys stay on topic with this one?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Moral relativism is a big topic Jeff.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by lendaddy

112.....no wait, 113.

Not sure how many I'm keeping though as several don't look ready for the test(and we both know what that means).

I looked into adopting one once. I was at "The Big Smoke" & Marvin Shankin had a bevy of smokin hot babes writing subscriptions for Cigar Afficianado, The one writing me up had on a dress that would have fit in a shot glass. Somehow in the conversation she mentioned that she was adopted. I asked how that worked out. She said good. I asked if she'd like to be adopted again.