NRA members: Who will you be voting for?

[tabs]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Thanks for dredging up the past. You forgot to sprinkle in a little Jimmy Carter.

The past is prolog....there is an old saying anybody who doesn't know their histroy is doomed to repeat it.


There isn't much new under the sun....go back and mak some comparsions with how the Dems act and the consequences of those actions in simailar circumstances. GB in the 60's and CA under Davis..

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by tabs

The past is prolog....there is an old saying anybody who doesn't know their histroy is doomed to repeat it.

Yep. Bush, as a glaring example. Does McSame know or understand history? I hope so, but, his hawkishness and pandering to the base makes me uncomfortable. Like I said, another Bush, but in an old guy wrapper.

I don't think Obi 1 knows or is willing to admit what the Dem agenda will do to America's ability to recover from the latest "business" that W wrecked. I can see stagflation for the next decade.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Really?

This is your insightful interjection of knowledge? McCain has only one thing he understands (and that not very well), the military option. He admits to not having a very good understanding of the economy, seems to think that talking to our enimies is tantamount to surrendering to them, sings "bomb, bomb, Iran" around campfires, has flipflopped on more issues than most, has no foreign policy experience (other than bombing), was born with a silver military spoon in his mouth, was extremely poor academically, etc., etc.
What you think is the "maverick" in McCain is just his inability to stick to a position and to express himself any better than the "headline" whore that he really is. McCain cannot post a voting record that has any consistent direction, his campaign is run by all the standard republican money special interests. Please tell me how that differs from Bush jr?

I think that D- belongs firmly in your own report card.

NO DICK CHENEY...GW is an opinion taker and delegates information gathering. Cheney has acted as the final opinion sought. Cheney knows his man and has been able to tailor his opinion to influence GW in the direction he wants. Not only that but Cheney was able to control and influence the stream of information going to GW. Since 2006 election debacle Cheney's influence has waned as it has been discredited in GW's eyes. GW does adjust his policies WHEN HE REALIZES that they are not working.

The Surge in Iraq is a good example of changing a failing strategy to one that is more successful.


McCain is not an ideologue, he is his own man. It is an evident result from his history as a POW. He feels it is just not worth cowtowing to some ideology at the cost of your own sense of right and wrong. His appearence of flip floping like Obama or any politician is the price one has to pay to garner the unqualified support of your base. Also one has to take into account that at any point in time ones information is incomplete and that over time new information is added that can change your mind.

Contrast that with Obama. Obama has said, "That my Mother is the biggest influence on my life and she was a very socially conscience indivdual." Parsed words to say Leftist Liberal. Obama has NEVER shown any inclination towards indepdent action, he has always been a party creature. Sure Obama is an AGENT OF CHANGE...from a Republican power to Democratic Party power..does this change meet with your approval.

Again take a look at the precedents in history where Liberals have taken control of a nation or state. GB in the pre Thatcher era, and CA under Gray Davis, those ARE VIABLE COMPARABLES.

Also for your RPKQ think about yourself being put in the postion as being a property owner in Santa Monica with rent control. Is that the America you want?

[tabs]

BTW RPKQ your level of creative abstraction ...is well limited.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Really?

This is your insightful interjection of knowledge? McCain has only one thing he understands (and that not very well), the military option. He admits to not having a very good understanding of the economy, seems to think that talking to our enimies is tantamount to surrendering to them, sings "bomb, bomb, Iran" around campfires, has flipflopped on more issues than most, has no foreign policy experience (other than bombing), was born with a silver military spoon in his mouth, was extremely poor academically, etc., etc.

What you think is the "maverick" in McCain is just his inability to stick to a position and to express himself any better than the "headline" whore that he really is. McCain cannot post a voting record that has any consistent direction, his campaign is run by all the standard republican money special interests. Please tell me how that differs from Bush jr?

I think that D- belongs firmly in your own report card.

Really... as in I am really glad that you stay in your adopted country of frogville. Thats a very good place for you and you and the frogs are a good match.

You are so FOS with your opinions above that its not worth replying to most of it except if you really think that BHO has more foreign policy experience than McCain you need to wake up. You are dreaming...

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by tabs

NO DICK CHENEY...GW is an opinion taker and delegates information gathering. Cheney has acted as the final opinion sought. Cheney knows his man and has been able to tailor his opinion to influence GW in the direction he wants. Not only that but Cheney was able to control and influence the stream of information going to GW. Since 2006 election debacle Cheney's influence has waned as it has been discredited in GW's eyes. GW does adjust his policies WHEN HE REALIZES that they are not working.

The Surge in Iraq is a good example of changing a failing strategy to one that is more successful.


McCain is not an ideologue, he is his own man. It is an evident result from his history as a POW. He feels it is just not worth cowtowing to some ideology at the cost of your own sense of right and wrong. His appearence of flip floping like Obama or any politician is the price one has to pay to garner the unqualified support of your base. Also one has to take into account that at any point in time ones information is incomplete and that over time new information is added that can change your mind.

Contrast that with Obama. Obama has said, "That my Mother is the biggest influence on my life and she was a very socially conscience indivdual." Parsed words to say Leftist Liberal. Obama has NEVER shown any inclination towards indepdent action, he has always been a party creature. Sure Obama is an AGENT OF CHANGE...from a Republican power to Democratic Party power..does this change meet with your approval.

Again take a look at the precedents in history where Liberals have taken control of a nation or state. GB in the pre Thatcher era, and CA under Gray Davis, those ARE VIABLE COMPARABLES.

Also for your RPKQ think about yourself being put in the postion as being a property owner in Santa Monica with rent control. Is that the America you want?

Wow, what a mixed up bunch of gibberish!

So, you want to explain that Bush jr. was just a figure head and Cheney ran the show. OK, that just shows what a nitwit Bush jr. is. But then you are claimming he (Bush jr) noticed his grand idea wasn't working and he had to change it. Amazing, he could be sucked in by Cheney, but had the ability to revamp his ill thought out war strategy.You need to check your facts. The military came up with the idea of a surge and insisted on it, not Bush jr.

This bit is great; "His appearence of flip floping like Obama or any politician is the price one has to pay to garner the unqualified support of your base. Also one has to take into account that at any point in time ones information is incomplete and that over time new information is added that can change your mind". So what you are saying is that McCain will change his opinion to get elected and he reserves the right to change his mind. How is that better than Obama?

So let's look at Obama's statement about his mother which you appearently think is just a clever way for him to say he is socially minded. I'm sorry, since when is being concerned for other people turned into a bad thing? Typical, "I've got mine" republican response.

Obama has spent far more time in other cultures than McCain. I do believe that gives him more foreign experience than McCain. What foreign experience has McCain have under his belt other than the POW event?

The fact that Obama has mangaed to totally re-think how to run and finance a campaign is pretty impressive. What has McCain done in the economic area besides living off his wife's money?

You just keep on thinking you have got the right answers cause it will make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. There is no reason for you to face reality.

As far as my ability to exploit a situation I found in Santa Monica. Thank you. I did not vote for that, nor do I support the idea. But I was smart enough to take advantage of it. I have friends of mine taht are landlords in Santa Monica, I know how much they suffered. I ran deals for them as well. But placing blame on Obama for what was done there is just painting all Democrates with the same brush. Not very accurate nor smart.

You seem to have enormous difficulty with trying to construct your arguements in a logical manner. Maybe a logic course might help.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Really... as in I am really glad that you stay in your adopted country of frogville. Thats a very good place for you and you and the frogs are a good match.

You are so FOS with your opinions above that its not worth replying to most of it except if you really think that BHO has more foreign policy experience than McCain you need to wake up. You are dreaming...

And I am glad you are too dim to see the light. You insults directed at France only illustrate you inability to see though the BS. But don't worry, France is doing just fine with the garbage dollar your choices have caused. You go girl!

McCain has what foreign experience? Besides the POW thing of course. He has no economic experience or knowledge, has no track record of supporting a realistic foreign policy and has little in the way of intellectual accomplishments. Yeah, he is exactly what Bush jr. is not!

Please post all the foreign experience that McCain has. I'll wait.
Obama has lived in multiple other cultures and had to understand them to excel. He was not born with a military silver spoon in his mouth like McCain. Obama exceled with his own abilities.

[krichard]

i doesn't matter what either way. Bush screwed it up for the Repubs so the Dem Obama is going to win. You can banter back and forth till the cows come home, not going to change anything.

I find myself in an odd political position. Don't know what side to go with. I own guns and think we have to right to own them. I agree with a woman's right to choose, aka pro abortion. I dissagree with universal healthcare. I hate the socialist programs our governement and the Dems fully support. I do agree it's time for a regime change, let's get the Bush loyal out completely.... Don't know who I'm voting for.....

[campbellcj]

Obama is a Socialist out to destroy small businesspeople and "rich people" so I do not see any option but McCain at this point. Obama literally could bankrupt me if he implements even a fraction of the crap spouting from his pie hole. In this case my 2nd amendment beliefs are but a small part of the decision data points.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

Wow, what a mixed up bunch of gibberish!

So, you want to explain that Bush jr. was just a figure head and Cheney ran the show. OK, that just shows what a nitwit Bush jr. is. But then you are claimming he (Bush jr) noticed his grand idea wasn't working and he had to change it. Amazing, he could be sucked in by Cheney, but had the ability to revamp his ill thought out war strategy.You need to check your facts. The military came up with the idea of a surge and insisted on it, not Bush jr.

This bit is great; "His appearence of flip floping like Obama or any politician is the price one has to pay to garner the unqualified support of your base. Also one has to take into account that at any point in time ones information is incomplete and that over time new information is added that can change your mind". So what you are saying is that McCain will change his opinion to get elected and he reserves the right to change his mind. How is that better than Obama?

So let's look at Obama's statement about his mother which you appearently think is just a clever way for him to say he is socially minded. I'm sorry, since when is being concerned for other people turned into a bad thing? Typical, "I've got mine" republican response.

Obama has spent far more time in other cultures than McCain. I do believe that gives him more foreign experience than McCain. What foreign experience has McCain have under his belt other than the POW event?

The fact that Obama has mangaed to totally re-think how to run and finance a campaign is pretty impressive. What has McCain done in the economic area besides living off his wife's money?

You just keep on thinking you have got the right answers cause it will make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. There is no reason for you to face reality.

As far as my ability to exploit a situation I found in Santa Monica. Thank you. I did not vote for that, nor do I support the idea. But I was smart enough to take advantage of it. I have friends of mine taht are landlords in Santa Monica, I know how much they suffered. I ran deals for them as well. But placing blame on Obama for what was done there is just painting all Democrates with the same brush. Not very accurate nor smart.

You seem to have enormous difficulty with trying to construct your arguements in a logical manner. Maybe a logic course might help.

GW is a "DECIDER" not a fact finder (he delegates others to do that). An opinion taker from people he trusts, people that have the same ideology as himself. McCain takes credit for promoting the Surge, all he did was listen to those in the military who have a clearer view of the reality on the ground. Eventually GW did lose confidence in the Cheney/Rummy axis in the admin. and listen to other voices outside of the Cheney loop.

Never said McCAin was better than Obama in pandering. It seems to be a fact of life in politics. There is an old saying about trying to please everyone and wind up pleasing no one.

I didn't say "that it was a clever way" for Obama to say she was socially conscience. He parsed his words to soften the impact for saying she was a LIBERAL. He knows very well that being labeled a Liberal is a pejorative term in America that will lose votes.

How many years did Obama live outside of the USA as a child in in Indonesia? How many years was McCAin a POW and in theater? This is just a stupid point. McCain has had far more experience dealing on an executive level in foreign policy than Obama. Plain and simple The only thing Obama knows is South Chicago politics and that prism of a world view, or why would he have been caught with Reverend Wright around his neck? When Obama got to the major leagues he had to discard Reverend Wright for the liability he is.

David Axelrod is Obama's campaign manager...thank him. Thank the Daley's for running Obama as their candidate for President as a token against the (at the time) presumed nominee Hillary. Also all Obama has done is lived off the tit of government service..and how did he come by that 1M plus house in Chicago on a government salary again?

You missed my point about Santa Monica, with an Obama Presidency YOU ARE going to be like the Santa Monica property owner that is going to have rent control imposed upon him. Liberal Democrats think the "profit motive should be removed." That is a quote from the Liberals favorite flavor Michael Moore on the Larry King show.

"Paint them all with the same brush"..have you listened to Nancy Pelosis, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Charles Schumer, Gavin Newsome, Hillary, Obama, Al Gore John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy, Ed Rendell. Yes they have supposed concern about poor people but no concern for another part of the people the Middle Class and those who have the get up and go who are trying to better themselves with small businesses. The biggest constituency of the Demcoratic Party are the Civil Service Unions including Teachers Unions.

[legion]

Methinks some non-NRA members have voted in this poll.

They just can't stand to see their man lose.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by legion

Methinks some non-NRA members have voted in this poll.

They just can't stand to see their man lose.

I agree...

[legion]

Oh, and I sent in my check to become a Life Member today. I have to make sure Daley and Blago and Obama don't get their way...

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by legion

Oh, and I sent in my check to become a Life Member today. I have to make sure Daley and Blago and Obama don't get their way...

Welcome aboard!

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I'm sure plenty of NRA members will vote for Obama. They're not one-issue voters and plenty of gun folks have no problem with further regulation of guns. I don't belong to that crowd, but plenty of others do. And I'm not voting for McCain because I like him either. He's the lesser of two evils. Our country is doomed either way, but our decline might be slowed by McCain.

there is absolutely no way at all that greater than 25% of NRA members vote for Mr Obama, none.

Originally Posted by pwd72s

I agree...

I am extremely dubious of the veracity of Frenchies claim of NRA membership. Totally incongruous with any position he has ever taken, to my knowledge

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by legion

Oh, and I sent in my check to become a Life Member today. I have to make sure Daley and Blago and Obama don't get their way...

Thanks and we all can use the support.

Tobra,

Me thinks that our frog PPOT member is as well not telling the truth. Want to go together and force the issue with a PPOT bet that would require him to prove that he is a NRA member?

[RPKESQ]

What , you don't beleive that I am a NRA Life member? How large of a bet would you weak-minded panties like to make? Would you all agree not to pull a snowedman and back out?

What a bunch of wankers!

[Tobra]

No, I don't believe it.

No offense meant, but as I said, it is not in keeping with the gestalt of your online persona. Tell you what. I will meet you in San Francisco, at the time of your choosing, and if you can show me proof of a lifetime membership in the NRA, together with a government issued photo identification, I will give you a $100 and a 10 pound bag of home grown tomatoes(if you can swing this while they are available in my back yard, if not, I lay the C note on you) If you are unable to present adequate proof, I will take you to the Anchor Brewing Company in the city and you can buy me a beer(they have free samples, so you get off pretty cheap)

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by Tobra

No, I don't believe it.

No offense meant, but as I said, it is not in keeping with the gestalt of your online persona. Tell you what. I will meet you in San Francisco, at the time of your choosing, and if you can show me proof of a lifetime membership in the NRA, together with a government issued photo identification, I will give you a $100 and a 10 pound bag of home grown tomatoes(if you can swing this while they are available in my back yard, if not, I lay the C note on you) If you are unable to present adequate proof, I will take you to the Anchor Brewing Company in the city and you can buy me a beer(they have free samples, so you get off pretty cheap)

When you accuse someone of lying, you should have the balls to put your money where your mouth is. $100 is worth only 63.7124 EURO. I am supposed to pay to travel to San Francisco for $100 low valued dollars? You will have to do far better than that. After all your expressed choices for the republicans have brought this era of garbage currency to you. Please, I will not pay any more than I have to for your failed choices.

Get your compatriots together and make a real offer. After all, you must believe your own BS, right? How about $50,000 that would be only 31,856.88 EURO to me.

How much conviction in your judgement do you have?

[pwd72s]

Good hustle in a pool hall...not so good here.