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There is quite a bit of chatter about the 'LHC' on the web.


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There is quite a bit of chatter about the 'LHC' on the web.
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There is always a quite a bit of chatter on the web whenever something interesting in science happens...

People fear science, and they verbally abuse that which they fear. They especially fear science that is past that point where it becomes "alien" to them, meaning, it's process and results are not anything like the block sliding down an inclined plane.

In 3 months they'll all stop chattering and forget about it. In a year the first results will finally come out, and everyone will sit back and say "wait, weren't we worried about that crazy thing a year ago?" and then NOVA will have a Hollywood style show about it (where they dumb it down to the point that they make false statements) and all will be right in the world again.
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There seems to be quite a few people that are more than concerned about 'problems' their experiments could create.


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there's also quite a few people who are concerned about area 51, big foot, the yeti and that 9/11 was an inside demolitions job by either CIA or Mossad...some even think Hitler made it out of Berlin alive...Some even believe there's some kind of god, based rumors that are over 2000 years old, or that Yuri Geller has special powers , based on the spoon bending trick...
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True.

All things that do not concern me.

There are, however, many 'smart people' that believe the LHC experiments are dangerous and could lead to irreversible effects.


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who are they?
how smart are they?
what's their field of expertise?

post some names Trek... i know i'm a dumbass when it comes to fysics... but i'll take the explanation of the smart people who are running it... what i hear from them, seems to make sense...

so who has anything to say other wise, and is on their level of "smarts" ?
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I have not taken note of any names or credentials at this point.

I'm sure if it were beyond curiosity for me, I'd have that info for you.


The one thing I have gathered, is that even the ones conducting the experiments are relying on unproven theories to bolster their confidence in the outcome of what they are doing.

In other words, what ever happens, they think it will be OK...


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so your curiousity brought you far enough to realize something is going on
and to question those conducting the experiments, and their theories , based on the comments of "smart people"
But your curiousity ain't of the sort you'll bother checking the credentials of those smart people who say the experiments might be a problem??

aaah shucks... it's the whole is there a god discussion all over again
the same fuzzy wuzzy logic of the 3rd kind...
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NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.

You should be far more worried about lightning hitting you or someone bumping into a window on the 30th story of a building and the glass slicing your skull in half. These are far more likely to happen, and are far more likely to ruin your day than anything the LHC is going to do.

Also, everyone is going to be posting "what a waste of money!!!" when they don't find the Higgs within 20 minutes of turning it on.

Boy, I'm sure glad that the Top quark ended the world as we know it, which these same chicken little postulated at the time.
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From what I gathered, they really have no idea what is going to happen...For sure.

Seriously. They're guessing. Imagine that.

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Thatís why itís called an experiment. This is how we learn.

You seem to imply that not knowing the results of an experiment in advance somehow exposes the ignorance of the scientists, or reduces the value of the experiment or means the science is invalid somehow.

You are dead wrong.

The whole point of conducting an experiment is to see what happens. Again, this is how we learn. If we knew what would happen in advance, what would be the point of conducting the experiment?

Trekkor, we all already know this, but you have a lot to learn about what science is and how it works. Just because you donít understand it doesnít mean itís wrong.
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I 'stumbled' across the story a few days ago on CNN.

As far as the 'smart guy' thing goes, are you suggesting that only the people directly involved in the experiments should be allowed to object?

I neither support nor object.


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so what are you doing Trekk?? just moaning about why we should be worried, why we should start reading other opinions like those of the smart people you refer to...even though you don't care enough to actually dig up some facts, backgrounds or opinions for yourself???

give me a break...
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Oh?

Do you know what is going to happen in Cern, Kang? Don't you think experiments should have a predictable outcome?

I believe doing something, just for the sake of doing it, is reckless.

They are not dropping baking soda in a vinegar filled test tube, Kang, they are violently tearing apart the most powerful and unknown units in the known universe.

Aren't their own words something to the effect of creating the same conditions the split second after the Big Bang?

That doesn't sound 'harmless' at all.


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so what are you doing Trekk??
Just killing time on PPOT...You?


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In thinking about it, splitting atoms has not been the best thing for mankind.

If I had to guess, I'd suspect these tests are likely for creating the next generation of 'super weapons'.


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I don't even have a tinfoil hat...


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Aren't their own words something to the effect of creating the same conditions the split second after the Big Bang?
That doesn't sound 'harmless' at all.
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The Universe survived it once, and seems to be thriving.

They are not recreating the conditions of the big Bang, they are not tearing Higg's particles apart, they are doing the same thing they've done at half a dozen other accelerators for decades now. None of them have rifted time and space, and neither will this one. The LHC is MAGNITUDES too weak to do some of what the naysayers are claiming.

Their ONLY hope of seeing ANYTHING on the scale of the Higgs (well, it's predicted energy) is that quantum fluctuations permit the Higgs to exist at a much small energy level than normal, if it borrows heavily from the space-time around it. The more it borrows, the shorter it can borrow it, and the less likely to catch it at that moment. The LHC is waiting for that one Higgs to take out a $50,000 payday loan with a 5 day payment date...it's gonna take a HUGE borrow and a TINY payback time.
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Oh?

Do you know what is going to happen in Cern, Kang? Don't you think experiments should have a predictable outcome?

I believe doing something, just for the sake of doing it, is reckless.

They are not dropping baking soda in a vinegar filled test tube, Kang, they are violently tearing apart the most powerful and unknown units in the known universe.

Aren't their own words something to the effect of creating the same conditions the split second after the Big Bang?

That doesn't sound 'harmless' at all.


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It's not for the sake of doing it
it's for prooving theories that are beyond your level of reasoning.

you say you don't object or support, yet you moan about it like an oldtimer with colestomy bag that's full... You bring nothing to the table, no insight, no facts, not even any decent arguments... all you do is kill time you say, which makes you a trolling waste of time for everybody else...

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