'Preparing for the worst' by buying guns/ammo. Why?

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by DasBoot

Neighbors are 2 miles away.

You really have all that stuff guarding your rental apartment?

Oh, and how's beautiful Houston doing these days... (reason enough to have a stash of guns).

You're making this some type of personal attack?

Yes, you're right, you are the one person in this country that will be immune to having someone even approach your home when things go down. I got that, you made it clear. I'll be here wallowing in my own blood, because apparently, if being in this city isn't bad enough, being in an apartment in this city is. Lemme guess...yer gonna make some comment about my financial situation as well, and attribute that to me not being ABLE to amass guns and ammo, right? I mean, all us apartment dwellers really are the lowest of the low on the social spectrum, right?

[DasBoot]

Originally Posted by Pazuzu

You're making this some type of personal attack?

Yes, you're right, you are the one person in this country that will be immune to having someone even approach your home when things go down. I got that, you made it clear. I'll be here wallowing in my own blood, because apparently, if being in this city isn't bad enough, being in an apartment in this city is. Lemme guess...yer gonna make some comment about my financial situation as well, and attribute that to me not being ABLE to amass guns and ammo, right? I mean, all us apartment dwellers really are the lowest of the low on the social spectrum, right?

LOL...must've hit a nerve.

[924slover]

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Oh, I have a 500 person standing army at my gate, c4 on all of my entrance doors, and sharks with friggin laser beams protecting my property. [/QUOTE]

i nearly pissed myself laughing at this.

i own guns and i dont keep an overly crazy amount of ammo around but i keep enough around where if i need it it's there. my father owns guns also and we just follow the qoute "walk softly but carry a big stick" i think everyone has this idea of escape from ny meets resident evil idea for the future.
but i could be wrong hell maybe people just wanna shoot something.

[tabs]

I don't have any guns or ammo I just have spoons....

I think if one remembers Los Angeles in 1992, when the city went bizerk after the Rodney King verdict. I remember the police just sitting in their cars watching 2 dark guys walk past them carrying a sofa on their heads. All the Pooolice did was shrug their shoulders, saying what can we do? The only business owners that didn't have their stores looted and burned were the ones who had guns and would fire in the direction of the crowds approaching their stores. So if one is going to depend on the Pooolice I think one is going to be in for a rude awakening if things go down hill. So better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.

I do think in a perverse way after 1992 the Liberal Democrats got afraid of a breakdown in society where the mob has guns and will run amok with them. So they want to limit the number of guns in society so that society can not do any harm to themselves or be brought to heel much easier.

[speeder]

If anything was learned during the L.A. riots, it was that looters and wilding packs only like unarmed victims. A couple of warning shots fired through someone's chest with a deer rifle makes a crowd of 300 people turn around and run like Olympic gold medalists.

[Rick Lee]

I've been stockpiling ammo because it's getting pretty expensive and will only keep going up. If/when the time comes that the police are overwhelmed and there is civil unrest around me, ammo will be worth its weight in gold. In such a situation, there will be no more running down to Wal-Mart for a value-pack of ammo, no more ordering bulk online. You'll be stuck with what you have. Luckily, I live in a pretty good and remote part of town. And I'll make the wild guess I have a lot of well-armed neighbors too. I don't think we'll have a problem. But the police have no legal obligation to protect you even when times are good. They'll be nowhere to be found when things get bad.

I also concur with Jeff's comments wrt Katrina. If that doesn't make you think guns and ammo are good to have, nothing will.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by speeder

If anything was learned during the L.A. riots, it was that looters and wilding packs only like unarmed victims. A couple of warning shots fired through someone's chest with a deer rifle makes a crowd of 300 people turn around and run like Olympic gold medalists.

Thats why I like my AK spoon.

[slodave]

Originally Posted by tabs

Thats why I like my AK spoon.

How many SPM's? - Can it shoot sporks?

[red-beard]

I think it was my comment that set this off. So here is MY explanation.

I have been picking up a variety of rifles over the past year which use a variety of ammo. These are the common calibers available today. I am concerned that these rifles will not be available in the future, no matter WHAT is said by politicians. "Sensible regulation" is new catch phrase of the gun banners. Look what "Sensible regulation" did in Austrialia. Guns are still around, but all you are allowed are single shot rifles and shotguns. Everything else is banned.

As far as ammo is concerned, it is the back door way to ban guns. No ammo and the pistol is a complicated rock and the rifle just a heavy stick. While I do not think that ammo will be made illegal, it can be made expensive.

I doubt I can stockpile enough to make me a true nut. But, all I need is 2 milk cartons of .22 ammo and the news will say I have "Thousands of rounds", if the news every said anything.

[Mo_Gearhead]

Please study the following map:




When/if society falls apart, you only have to be concerned if you are living in a Blue Zone!

After the shootouts in the Blue Zone finally subside ...they will soon turn RED again.

Not being political here moderators, just the only map I had handy. I'm talking urban centers.

[legion]

My take:

I have the 870 and the G17 for breakdown of law and order. Most of the ammo I keep for them is for recreational shooting.

The reason I'm stockpiling? It's not because of a potential breakdown of law and order or becasue ammo prices are going up (though they should level off or drop as commodity prices have moderated). It's because with the recent Heller decision, the Brady Campaign has turned to getting ammunition banned (as it wasn't covered in the ruling). They have several, concurrent strategies. One is requiring microstamping. One is ammunition serial numbers. Under either scheme, they would outlaw reloading and the private transfer of ammunition.

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by red-beard

I am concerned that these rifles will not be available in the future, no matter WHAT is said by politicians. .

THAT I understand, and THAT is very different than "I'm prepping for the SHTF scenario that is coming soon, with zombies working alongside thieves wanting my 4 cans of stockpiled corn!". I hope to be able to stockpile V8 muscle cars for the very same reason at some point in my life

[charleskieffner]

happiness is knowing someone that owns BELT-FED HK-21E's.

ralph smith............RDTS.com

note location............cave creek(home of da cave) ARIZONA!

aint gonna be any civil unrest here....................EVER!

[carnutzzz]

Guns are useful to maintain power with the people. The better armed the society, the better reminder that our government is supposed to work for us.

We are currently taxed at gunpoint, we can be un-taxed using the same approach.

Do you think it's a coincidence that those wanting to raise taxes also want to remove gun-rights?

[id10t]

Hedging against price increases. WHen I got my FAL 2.5 years ago, you could get good S. African surplus for $20/140 rounds. Not long after I got the FAL, it went up to $50/140. Now, any surplus is about 50c/rnd. Wolf 7.62x39 used to be $90/case delivered, now wholesale w/o shipping is $200/case. Between the UN wanting countries to stop exporting their surplus (this is why the SA went up) and increases in metals prices, and domestic manufacturing being filled up filling military orders (ours, and our "friendlies"), prices are just going up and up and up. Then add in the increase in shipping costs.

[widebody911]

Guns are useful to maintain power with the people. The better armed the society, the better reminder that our government is supposed to work for us.

While this is a nice sentiment, it is really just a dream:

a) the government has bigger guns than you do and more of them
b) if you managed to get more than a couple dozen like-minded comrades organized, you're be declared 'enemy combatants' via an NSL (thanks to GWB - oh the irony!) and hauled off to gitmo.
c) judging by the coherence of the posts of some of the gun nuts here, you'd get your asses handed to you by a troop of girl scouts armed with slingshots
d) seriously: what do you propose to do? Drive to your local capitol building and start expending rounds? Sounds like a mix of Columbine and a mid-life crisis.

[nostatic]

I work with law enforcement on some of my projects. They all admit that in the event of some major event (earthquake, civil unreset, etc), citizens are on their own for at least 72 hours and likely up to and beyond a week. That means providing your own food, water, and protection. You can call 911 all you want - they ain't coming.

oh, and the zombies too

[Pazuzu]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I work with law enforcement on some of my projects. They all admit that in the event of some major event (earthquake, civil unreset, etc), citizens are on their own for at least 72 hours and likely up to and beyond a week.

That's BS. The people on Galveston Island were told they were gonna be on their own, and it only took a few hours (it wasn't even windy yet!) before they were calling 911! The were being ferried out via expensive helicopters the next freaking day!

Cops love us and want us all to be happy and comfortable at all times, and will do whatever it takes to fight off the zombies if the citizens need comforting.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by widebody911

Guns are useful to maintain power with the people. The better armed the society, the better reminder that our government is supposed to work for us.

While this is a nice sentiment, it is really just a dream:

a) the government has bigger guns than you do and more of them

So did the British in 1776.

Originally Posted by widebody911

b) if you managed to get more than a couple dozen like-minded comrades organized, you're be declared 'enemy combatants' via an NSL (thanks to GWB - oh the irony!) and hauled off to gitmo.

The price of liberty and freedom from tyranny has never been cheap.

Originally Posted by widebody911

c) judging by the coherence of the posts of some of the gun nuts here, you'd get your asses handed to you by a troop of girl scouts armed with slingshots

Like who? And what exactly constitutes a "gun nut"? Number of guns owned? Caliber? Rounds per minute? What exactly?

Originally Posted by widebody911

[i]d) seriously: what do you propose to do? Drive to your local capitol building and start expending rounds? Sounds like a mix of Columbine and a mid-life crisis.

Do you bother to celebrate Independence Day? It sounds like from your absolutist perspective that this would be an inappropriate day for you to enjoy. So why not just report to work that day. Better still, why not relinquish your U.S. citizenship since it was ill-obtained and the result of "insurgent" rebellious activity against the legitimate government (Britain). I'm sure the U.K. will take you back.

[charleskieffner]

ZOMBEES................hate belt fed HK-21E's!