Undeserving owners? I think so.

[poorsche930]

Hey everyone, I just need to get this off my chest.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED, to the water cooled front engine market? I've owned a few over the years and am possibly looking for a CLEAN 944/951/968 (any one of the 3) once again for D.D. duties split between that and my C36.

BUT, it seems like EVERY front engine Porsche out there has been bought and SEVERELY neglected by a retard. Instead of maintenance or service, it got red dash vents and a B.S."filter intake"! These cars are cheap to buy, not so cheap to maintain. Thats why the guy that was going to get that Cavalier Z24 or Honda civic si, seems to buy and destroy these wonderful cars. They see a "porsch" for the same $ as a Nissan sentra and treat them like one. Not understanding that the car is old and needs a lot of upkeep. Hoses,vacuum lines, various sensors, power steering lines, bearings,engine oil seals, etc etc. The same cars will be bought, never maintained, then sold with "very fast" in the selling description. These owners (sad but there are some on PP) should have satisfaction that they own a better than average car. There's nothing worse than seeing a riced out, beat, Porsche.


I'm going to stop now before I get really P!$$^d off. Am I just being a jerk or do some of you see what I'm talking about?

[NICKG]

that is a rennlist thing...and yea, it has gone down hill as fast as the demographics of the new owners.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Typically when I see "very fast" in the description, I move on. That to me screams, "I beat the hell out of it". Even worse when they brag about the cars they've beaten drag racing.

You have to look at enthusiast based sites. That's where most of the well-maintained, non-abused cars reside. In casually looking, I've seen some nice 944s advertised on Pelican. Sites like Craigslist are tuner hell. It happens with every semi-fast and attractive car when the price gets low enough, the bottom feeders can afford to buy one and tack on a bunch of Pep Boys mods and stickers. I tried to find an Integra GSR or Prelude SH for a daily driver, but couldn't find any that weren't abused or rice. Same thing goes for E36 BMWs, etc.

[red-beard]

Welcome to our world

[jhynesrockmtn]

Network with local PCA chapter, Pelican for sale, post on regional Pelican forum, find the mechanics who service these cars and let them know you're looking.

We got lucky on craigslist looking for an older Jetta for my son. Found one an adult had owned that had some tasteful well done mods including engine. 99% of what I saw was cars owned by idiots that were thrashed.

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

the bottom feeders can afford to buy one

or people part them out.

but most people who buy em are teenagers and they basically run them until they can't start. I've seen some some nice 928's and 944's, and 24's that were run to basic submission. kinda makes me sad, because these cars had there hay day when people actually were impressed when they saw it drive by.

[legion]

And I had a decent, well-maintained 951 for sale and it took me 5 months to sell it.

[poorsche930]

I know how to go about finding what I want, but thanks for the help. I was just mainly venting atop my "high horse" of how many cars are "ruined" or would be such money pits that they aren't even "DD-able"

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

or people part them out.

but most people who buy em are teenagers and they basically run them until they can't start. I've seen some some nice 928's and 944's, and 24's that were run to basic submission. kinda makes me sad, because these cars had there hay day when people actually were impressed when they saw it drive by.

I feel the same way. I was in my very late teens and early 20's when I owned all of mine. It's just a different mentality. A euro car enthusiast is way different than the "tuner" crowd.

[deathpunk dan]

During my commute, I pass a bright yellow 944 8v with an aluminum touring car rear wing, spray painted cookie cutters, blacked out tint, and large porsche decals on front and rear windshields.

I've never seen it move. It really bums me out, especially the wing that looks like it 'belongs' on a 1988 Accord doing the 'sponsored by Pep Boys' bit. I always think 'man I gotta take a picture of this bad boy and post it on pp for great amusement.'

[poorsche930]

Originally Posted by deathpunk dan

During my commute, I pass a bright yellow 944 8v with an aluminum touring car rear wing, spray painted cookie cutters, blacked out tint, and large porsche decals on front and rear windshields.

I've never seen it move. It really bums me out, especially the wing that looks like it 'belongs' on a 1988 Accord doing the 'sponsored by Pep Boys' bit. I always think 'man I gotta take a picture of this bad boy and post it on pp for great amusement.'

There was an early 944 slammed on some "mr. tire" wheels, gauges galore, and an aluminum touring wing screwed straight into the factory rubber spoiler, that I used to pass going to work. This one was red.

[Scuba Steve]

Originally Posted by legion

And I had a decent, well-maintained 951 for sale and it took me 5 months to sell it.

Same here, but a 924S. The only interest I got for it back in Seattle was trade for a jet ski. At least in San Antonio I was able to sell the car, but I want to say it took at least 2 months.

[Red Baron]

My Watercoolers are top-notch and I've owned 3-928 and a 951. The 951 is a concours winner and the two 928 I currently own are in great shape. One was even in Excellence!

[Tishabet]

My 944 is a bone stock daily driver... I maintain it myself, which means that mechanically it's in good shape but cosmetically it looks like a 20 year old paint job and a 20 year old interior. When someone put a good dent in my fender in a parking lot mishap, I drove it like that for almost a year before getting a new fender to paint and install.

There's a 944 I sometimes see on my way in to work with an aluminum wing glued directly to the glass in the back hatch, about 2/3 of the way down the glass. I'm sort of hoping they fiddle with the angle enough for the downforce to put that poor P-car out of its misery.

[Heel n Toe]

Originally Posted by poorsche930

.....it seems like EVERY front engine Porsche out there has been bought and SEVERELY neglected by a retard.

From time to time, I go look at 944's and 928's in Pelican's listings... just to torture myself (because I can't afford to buy any of 'em right now)... and the ones I've been seeing look pretty well kept to me. YMMV, of course.

Have you seen any of these?

Super Nice early 944 for sale

FS 1994 Porsche 968

FS: 1982 Porsche 928 - Pacific Blue Metallic

1993 Porsche 968 6 speed

'85 944 N/A, very clean and well maintained, $5,500.

[Jeff Higgins]

I feel the same way about the much vaunted AMC Pacer. There aren't many good ones left.

[Hugh R]

I don't think I'd even consider buying a Pcar from someone who owned it when they were under 30.

[poorsche930]

Originally Posted by Heel n Toe

From time to time, I go look at 944's and 928's in Pelican's listings... just to torture myself (because I can't afford to buy any of 'em right now)... and the ones I've been seeing look pretty well kept to me. YMMV, of course.

Have you seen any of these?

Super Nice early 944 for sale

FS 1994 Porsche 968

FS: 1982 Porsche 928 - Pacific Blue Metallic

1993 Porsche 968 6 speed

'85 944 N/A, very clean and well maintained, $5,500.

Yeah I saw them. Again looking for something way closer to my local. I dont want to fly or drive somewhere just to go look at something. If I was looking for another 930 then maybe.

[DanielDudley]

WHen I got the Porsche bug, I missed out on the first car I wanted, and wound up buying a clean 928. Just as I was going out to look at it, this old hag with hair on her face came up to me and said '' Beware the Ides of March.''. I should have listened.

I learned to utter ''Et tu ?'' while being stabbed in the back by yet another 928 ''expert''.

When I bought my last one, a lady arose from a lake dressed in shimmering cloth made of silk and gold. She said ''Behold, I bring forth unto you Excaliber, never touched by hands impure.'' In her hand was a mighty key, emblazoned with a noble crest. She beconed me toward a fine Automobile, that was at one moment blue, the next second plumb, and in the right sunlight a brilliant glowing purple. It was parked in a field filled with brand new GT3s and Aston Martins, I kid you not.

It did not look out of place at all.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

It's a lot of hard work to keep a waterpumper in good/prime shape. God knows mine doesn't look it (horrible paint, dented fender, etc.) but mechanically it's in excellent order. Problem is most people wouldn't know or appreciate the many hours (and dollars) required to get it mechanically solid. When you can get a Honda Civic that looks halfway decent (i.e. no mismatched body panels, dents or whatever) and runs well for $4,000, why would most people be willing to pay the same amount for a "boring" 20-year-old 944 with some cosmetic issues?

I keep mine for me - not anyone else.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by Hugh R

I don't think I'd even consider buying a Pcar from someone who owned it when they were under 30.

Excellent advice. I'd expand that to read "I don't think I'd even consider buying ANY car (or motorcycle) from someone who owned it when they were under 30."