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stomachmonkey 04-23-2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4623748)

Danny has a really good voice, but he's like archuletta from last year. Always sounds the same.

I have the same issue with him. He started out really strong, vocally and had an emotional element, his new/young wifes sudden premature death, going for him.

But with each episode he becomes less relevant.

I put him ahead of Kris cause I think his fanbase is bigger/stronger, not because I think he is more talented.

He's a good middle american christian (nothing wrong with it) choir director from a solid all american family.

Remember Carly Smithson from last year? The one with the tats.

I really thought she was a final round contender. But I'd cringe every time they showed a shot of her husband. The guy was inked from head to toe, facial tat's don't go over that big with everyday america.

Then she sang Jesus Christ Superstar which was a great performance from her. Word on the street is the Christian community was offended and boom she was gone.

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m21sniper 04-23-2009 10:03 AM

I didn't like her or the austrailian guy because, well, it's American idol.

I agree about the husband by the way- total freak show.

m21sniper 04-23-2009 10:19 AM

BTW, for what it's worth, the site i get these videos off of allows comments for each video. Every week the blogger puts up each video and people can comment in their favorite ones.

90% of all the comments are in Lamberts videos, and a small handful comment on Kris's videos.

No one else gets much in the way of comments at all.

DavidI 04-23-2009 05:08 PM

I watch the show only because Adam Lambert is so damn good! His version of "If I only had you" was one of the best songs that I have ever heard!

David

ikarcuaso 04-23-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 4623818)
...facial tat's don't go over that big with everyday america.

WTF you talkin' 'bout? Blends right in...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1240549767.jpg

m21sniper 04-23-2009 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidI (Post 4624703)
I watch the show only because Adam Lambert is so damn good! His version of "If I only had you" was one of the best songs that I have ever heard!

David

Yeah he seriously, seriously slayed that song. (i think its actaully "If i cant have you" but i know what you meant)

I posted the link up above a little bit for you lad's enjoyment.

His If i cant have you, mad world, tracks of my tears, and ring of fire are IMO among the very best performances i have ever seen on that show, and i've seen pretty much all of them either on TV when they happened or subsequently on You Tube.

The amazing thing is he still has about 10 more songs to perform on the show.

BTW, there's a lot of buzz that this will be Simon's last year on AI.

MMARSH 04-24-2009 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidI (Post 4624703)
I watch the show only because Adam Lambert is so damn good! His version of "If I only had you" was one of the best songs that I have ever heard!

David

Oh no, "Et tu Brute!" ;)

JMH82SC 04-28-2009 05:20 PM

Wow! I don't think this was his best but it is like he had 4 warm up acts.

m21sniper 04-28-2009 09:37 PM

God damn.

Seriously...just god damn...

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To quote jamie fox, "WHAAAAAT?!?!?!?!"

o.O

Dottore 04-29-2009 05:34 AM

OK Snipe. You win.

This guy is seriously good.

But I hate you for getting me interested in this show. ;-)

berettafan 04-29-2009 05:48 AM

that last performance was tired. the gimick is getting old.

the little guy with the buz cut is, imo, a better entertainer.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4634339)
that last performance was tired. the gimick is getting old.

the little guy with the buz cut is, imo, a better entertainer.

I like flamboyant performers of the pattern he is molded after. My favorite rockshows are the ones with big stage shows to go along. So i love the 'gimmick.'

A lot of people get bothered by his 'screaming', but i love artists who can unleash an epic primal scream. Tyler, Plant, Dickenson, et al.

This latest performance really blew me away. That closing note, with the echo effect- wow.

The little guy is good, but vocally Lambert could sing rings around him. (the little guy was #2 in Itunes downloads when they accidentally released the download tallies last week. A distant #2, but #2 nonetheless).

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Originally Posted by Dottore (Post 4634311)
OK Snipe. You win.

This guy is seriously good.

But I hate you for getting me interested in this show. ;-)

Dottore: Sorry bro, but i figured that this guy's talent would definitely overcome the "AI is lame" effect for a lot of people. He probably has more outright vocal talent than any rock singer since Steven Tyler in his prime.

He did Bohemian Rhapsody in his audition, i'm really hoping he gets the opportunity to do it on the show.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JMH82SC (Post 4633578)
but it is like he had 4 warm up acts.

Exactly.

Every week.

911pcars 04-29-2009 09:03 AM

I thought I'd interrupt the love fest thread. :)

Are those white patent leather shoes? Shades of Barry Manilow, Las Vegas and Branson, MO.

Sherwood

m21sniper 04-29-2009 09:07 AM

I used to have a pair of 'em when i was a bartender at a local nightclub. LOL.

Simon on the finals:

"Simon recently told ET, “I would put my money on Adam and Danny …It is going to be Adam and somebody. I would like to see Adam and Danny because I think they are the best two singers, and at the end of the day that is what should happen.”

Moses 04-29-2009 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4634339)
that last performance was tired. the gimick is getting old.

the little guy with the buz cut is, imo, a better entertainer.

Yep. I've grown weary of Lambert's "nuts-in-a-vice" high note. Enough already. This was supposed to be a Sinatra style performance. Lambert just can't help himself. No doubt he's wildly talented, but he needs to lay off the ear splitting shriek for a while.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 4634713)
Yep. I've grown weary of Lambert's "nuts-in-a-vice" high note. Enough already. This was supposed to be a Sinatra style performance. Lambert just can't help himself. No doubt he's wildly talented, but he needs to lay off the ear splitting shriek for a while.

That would be the same as asking Steven Tyler to not shreik and wail, or Jagger to not strut around stage like a cracked out peacock.

It is who he is.

IMO the reason he is on top like he is, is because of that tremendous high range of his. Take that away, he's just another AI contestant.

911pcars 04-29-2009 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4634722)
That would be the same as asking Steven Tyler to not shreik and wail, or Jagger to not strut around stage like a cracked out peacock.

It is who he is.

IMO the reason he is on top like he is, is because of that tremendous high range of his. Take that away, he's just another AI contestant.

Au contraire. True artists don't push their technique onto the listener unless they feel it's an essential part of the composition. Many do so because they're unsecure in their ability to connect with the listener. They might impress with their vocal range and technical chops, but sometimes it's so much like Kenny's G's claim to fame, "circular breathing" abilities. Now what?

If Lambert floats your boat, that's great, but let's not claim him to be great just because he can sing falsetto. If his range is that good, he should also be able to adapt to the style requested by the show - Frank Sinatra style. I think that performance was off base, but I don't know, perhaps closer than the others whom I haven't heard yet.

BTW, is Tony Bennett's greatness judged by his vocal range? Nope. Here's my guy with range and chops. Probably not many have heard of him:

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or something more recognizable from the song book of classics:
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Sorry to digress from the Lambert thread. Please continue.

sherwood

berettafan 04-29-2009 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 4634713)
, but he needs to lay off the ear splitting shriek for a while.

he won't lay off because he can't hold a candle to buz cut kid otherwise.

it's becoming terribly apparant that Lambert is a one trick pony. he's demonstrated what to me is a great ear for arrangements...sometimes...but so has buz.

even my wife who is a huge fan allowed me to criticize lambert this last time around without accusing me of being homophobic.

Moses 04-29-2009 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4634874)
even my wife who is a huge fan allowed me to criticize lambert this last time around without accusing me of being homophobic.

That's progress. My kids won't tolerate any criticism of Lambert.

berettafan 04-29-2009 10:44 AM

kris allen is the little buz cut kids name.

Eric Coffey 04-29-2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 4634881)
That's progress. My kids won't tolerate any criticism of Lambert.

And it would appear he has glossed the judges over as well.

Sorry, but I don't get the attraction, and some of you have tin ears. :D
Lambert is shrill/sharp in the upper registers and too "breathy" in the lower octaves to me. Visually, the nail polish and "guyliner" isn't winning him any style points either (gay or not). Isn't the whole emo, I-hate-my-dad, wearing-my-sister's-pants fad dead already? :rolleyes:

Allison has pipes, but horrible annunciation (she needs speach therapy). She sounds like she's trying to sing with a mouthful of marbles.

Last week, the most well-rounded performance was the kid with the guitar (Chris?). Last night, it was no contest: Danny was head and shoulders above the rest IMO. He's got the best vocal quality/tibre, and know's what is and isn't in his wheelhouse (range).

MMARSH 04-29-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 4634911)
And it would appear he has glossed the judges over as well.

Sorry, but I don't get the attraction, and some of you have tin ears. :D
Lambert is shrill/sharp in the upper registers and too "breathy" in the lower octaves to me. Visually, the nail polish and "guyliner" isn't winning him any style points either (gay or not). Isn't the whole emo, I-hate-my-dad, wearing-my-sister's-pants fad dead already? :rolleyes:

Allison has pipes, but horrible annunciation (she needs speach therapy). She sounds like she's trying to sing with a mouthful of marbles.

Last week, the most well-rounded performance was the kid with the guitar (Chris?). Last night, it was no contest: Danny was head and shoulders above the rest IMO. He's got the best vocal quality/tibre, and know's what is and isn't in his wheelhouse (range).

+1000 on all counts. Allison has a nice voice, but her annunciation was driving me nuts. It's like she's singing lazy.

stomachmonkey 04-29-2009 01:50 PM

Not too long ago a real entertainer did it all, acted, danced, sang.

Adam is an entertainer, a showman. Put him on a stadium stage and he can to perform to the front rows as well as the rafters and everyone in between.

Kris is a great talent but he bores me. I can't imagine seeing him in anything larger than a couple of thousand seat theatre. I think his future is in producing and writing. He can still have a performing career but he strikes me more as a Tom Waits, T-Bone Burnet kind of talent.

Danny was one of my top 3 from the beginning but he is starting to remind me of Taylor Hicks, he's got a limit to what he can do and so far as I can tell does not have the same musical skill set as Kris.

IMHO

m21sniper 04-29-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 911pcars (Post 4634797)
Au contraire. True artists don't push their technique onto the listener unless they feel it's an essential part of the composition.

Tyler is not a true artist? Mercury was not a true artist? Bruce Dickenson was not a true artist? These are all way over the top performers. (and all legends)

Your problem with Adam lambert is one of personal taste, and nothing more.

To say he is not a 'true artist' is flat retarded, and borderline 'hating'.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 4635262)
Not too long ago a real entertainer did it all, acted, danced, sang.

Adam is an entertainer, a showman. Put him on a stadium stage and he can to perform to the front rows as well as the rafters and everyone in between.

Kris is a great talent but he bores me. I can't imagine seeing him in anything larger than a couple of thousand seat theatre. I think his future is in producing and writing. He can still have a performing career but he strikes me more as a Tom Waits, T-Bone Burnet kind of talent.

Danny was one of my top 3 from the beginning but he is starting to remind me of Taylor Hicks, he's got a limit to what he can do and so far as I can tell does not have the same musical skill set as Kris.

IMHO

+1001 on all counts.

And it baffles me that someone could call Lambert's upper register "shrill." o.O

The man is practically pitch perfect at all times. Not once has a judge criticized a single note he has sang the entire season. How could they? His notes are almost all perfect. Even when he does have an off-note, the rest of the performance so overwhelms it that it's not even significant.

Lambert is miles ahead in the voting(when the itunes download ratings were accidentally listed last week on the site that became obvious- he has more than 2x the downloads of anyone else on the show), it sounds to me like some people are just haing because their personal favorite is soon to fall. This happens at this stage every year. These sorts of comments are par for the course.

There are people that didn't like Robert Plant, or Freddie Mercury or Steven Tyler too, so i'm not surprised i guess.

Danny is just a growed up version of Adam Archuletta from last year. Every song he sings sounds the same, he tries to make it all fit into that gospelly thing he does. Whatever it is, it still sounds like gospel.

Lambert OTH has done actual disco(play that funky music), blues/soul(last night), industrial/rock(born to be wild), acid rock(ring of fire), motown(tracks of my tears), Pop(black and white) and all of it sounded unique and different. I think he's the greatest that show's seen since Kelly Clarkson. He transcends genres, and THAT is the true test of a great performer IMO.

berettafan 04-29-2009 03:10 PM

agree danny too is a one trick pony. i skip his performances when we watch.

the archuletta kid had the WORST taste in music i've ever seen. absolutely horrible.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4635413)
agree danny too is a one trick pony. i skip his performances when we watch.

the archuletta kid had the WORST taste in music i've ever seen. absolutely horrible.

I agree.

Music is a funny thing, there is no definitive right or wrong unless someone is obviously off-key or out of pitch(which is obviously not the case with lambert, gokey or allen). It's just a matter of personal taste.

Some people love Frank Sinatra, his music does nothing for me but make me change the station.

All a matter of taste.

911pcars 04-29-2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4635384)
Tyler is not a true artist? Mercury was not a true artist? Bruce Dickenson was not a true artist? These are all way over the top performers. (and all legends)

Your problem with Adam lambert is one of personal taste, and nothing more.

To say he is not a 'true artist' is flat retarded, and borderline 'hating'.

Nope. I didn't say that. Read my post again.
"Au contraire. True artists don't push their technique onto the listener unless they feel it's an essential part of the composition. Many do so because they're unsecure in their ability to connect with the listener. They might impress with their vocal range and technical chops, but sometimes it's so much like Kenny's G's claim to fame, "circular breathing" abilities. Now what?"

I didn't mention Lambert. I did mention there are performers who display their technical virtuousity in lieu of making an emotional connection with the audience. From what I understand, Lambert's Frank Sinatra-type song interpretation - in falsetto wasn't as close to the mark as the other contestants - he with the claimed wide vocal range. If Lambert had wide-range vocal chops, why would he not display them as requested?

Nothing personal against this young man, btw.

Sherwood

berettafan 04-29-2009 03:35 PM

it definitely is taste but archeletta's (and the blind fellow this year) choices were so without soul as to be painful.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 03:47 PM

The blind guy was not a very good singer to begin with i think. If he wasn't handicapped i doubt he even makes the top 24.

I agree about Archuletta. His greatest AI performance was Imagine on the first episode. He never again matched that performance from either a technical or an emotional level IMO.

PS: Fair nuff 911pcars. Your post was framed with a couple "anti" lambert posts, so i thought yours was as well.

Nathans_Dad 04-29-2009 07:06 PM

Maybe being in the bottom 2 will give Lambert the hint to lay off the super high notes for a while.

It's like Mariah Carey. If you look at her early stuff she did WAY too much of the dolphin mating calls, now she seems to have caught the clue and keeps things more in her lower registers.

Lambert should do the same.

In the last few weeks I think Chris has come on as the favorite to be in the finals with Lambert and maybe even beat him.

stomachmonkey 04-29-2009 07:15 PM

Tonight was exactly why they instituted the save, which was IMHO, wasted early on Matt who simply was not going to win regardless.

Adam is so far ahead that people stopped voting figuring he is a shoe in.

Same thing happened to Daughtry the year Taylor Hicks won.

I think it may have been the case with Dolittle as well.

cantdrv55 04-29-2009 07:27 PM

Sheesh, what is it with you always coming to Lambert's defense? You are taking things a little too personally for someone you don't even know. I've been saying all along that he's a one trick pony. The guy shrieks waaaay too much. Last night was supposed to be Rat Pack night. None of those old guys screamed back in the day. I don't know why he felt he had to sing like Mercury.

m21sniper 04-29-2009 11:07 PM

I agree with stomach monkey, the save was totally wasted on Matt. He clearly had no chance to win.

And tonights show was actually a LOT of manufactured drama, because in the past they would not have done it like this in the final 5. They deliberately did it this way to ramp up the drama and excitement, but this format actually favors lambert, since it will give his fans a massive wakeup call.

Everyone felt he was untouchable and cruising (seriously read any articles from this week, everyone that wrote one said Adam was the best one this week and was cruising, Vegas has his odds at a .8:1 payout) , and apparently his fans did too. Now they will have a fire lit and all vote like nuts. The judges were stunned. Paula, Kara and Randy all literally had dropped wide open jaws. As did i.

Chris and Allison have both already been bottom 3 before, it's no big deal. You just don't want to be bottom 1.

Fortunately for Adam, unlike Daughtry who was voted off in the top 4, his fans will get a 2nd chance to support him properly. I still fully expect him and Gokey in the finals, which is what Simon also predicted last week.

It was exciting though.....haha i'm such a teenaged chick for this show. ;)

JE928sx4 04-29-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4595029)
He reminds me of a mix between Plant/Mercury/Tyler.

I don't know exactly what makes a superstar a superstar, but when you see one it's obvious.

http://aboutadamlambert.com/wp-conte...ambert-rof.jpg

Looks like Elvis with a weird haircut. I wasn't that impressed with the falsetto deal. Why TF did I even start reading this thread....oh...the horror....the horror..... :p

m21sniper 04-30-2009 12:03 AM

I was never impressed by Pavorati.

Others would give their life for him. Music is all about personal taste.

JE928sx4 04-30-2009 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4636144)
I was never impressed by Pavorati.

Others would give their life for him. Music is all about personal taste.

Listen to him or Bocelli sing Nessun dorma (theme song for the 1990 world cup for all you sports fans), that will change your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqzz7B7V2IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATmgtmR5o4&feature=related

Big Ed 04-30-2009 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 4635833)
Same thing happened to Daughtry the year Taylor Hicks won.

Good point.

And poor Daughtry now can't get any airplay; all you ever hear is Hicks on the radio.

m21sniper 04-30-2009 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JE928sx4 (Post 4636147)
Listen to him or Bocelli sing Nessun dorma (theme song for the 1990 world cup for all you sports fans), that will change your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqzz7B7V2IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATmgtmR5o4&feature=related

The whole genre, does nothing for me.

The only opera singer who has ever moved me was.....hmmm....there's never been one. However, i freely admit he Pavorati was very talented.

As i say, all a matter of personal taste.


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