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Netspeed 05-06-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4648278)
A lot of people hated elvis the pelvis for his theatrics too.

All subjective. I like Lambert(and Elvis) in pretty much every non-sexual way you can like a performer.

Don't get me wrong....I think Adam is phenomenal. Every week, my wife and just can't believe how great he is. He is hands-down the most talented AI performer I've ever seen. Unfortunately, it is a popularity contest and Danny just has something that helps him connect with the audience better which is why Adam was #4 last week....

m21sniper 05-06-2009 12:19 PM

Actually adam was not #4 last week, they played it out that way for ratings. He was actually #3 in the voting.

Danny, by the way, is being roundly hammered today by all, as everyone that's followed the show since the beginning is now saying his performance of Dream on last night is the single worst top 5+ performance in AI history.

It was, in a word, horrendous.

Listen to this final note:

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Absolutely horrifying. Totally off key, off pitch, his voice breaks- total, total disaster.

If there is any justice in the world, his ride ends tonight.

Netspeed 05-06-2009 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4648534)
Actually adam was not #4 last week, they played it out that way for ratings. He was actually #3 in the voting.

Danny, by the way, is being roundly hammered today by all, as everyone that's followed the show since the beginning is now saying his performance of Dream on last night is the single worst top 5+ performance in AI history.

It was, in a word, horrendous.

Listen to this final note:

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Absolutely horrifying. Totally off key, off pitch, his voice breaks- total, total disaster.

If there is any justice in the world, his ride ends tonight.

How do you know who's #3 or #4?

m21sniper 05-06-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Netspeed (Post 4648545)
How do you know who's #3 or #4?

I read MJ's AI big blog. :)

http://mjsbigblog.com/

Note they never said the little guy had more votes when they said he was safe, just that he was safe. Lambert was the prohibitive front runner, and every bookie and "reporter" that follows the show had already crowned him champ.

Therefore there was huge shock value in producing the show as they did. It also served as a wake up call to Lamberts fans, so that a daughtry repeat did not occur.

It was highly unusual to use that format for top 5 at all, i dont recall them ever doing that before. It was all about the ratings.

m21sniper 05-06-2009 06:18 PM

No justice in the world that Gokey advanced, he flat out sucked.

Bad.

stomachmonkey 05-06-2009 06:22 PM

Allison sang it better tonight than last night.

Still think she should have been a top 3.

tangerine911S 05-06-2009 06:25 PM

Gokey should have gone home tonight, not Allison. Chris should go next. Top two should have been Adam and Allison. I like Allison better than Adam. His screaming is rediculous and its getting old.

m21sniper 05-06-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tangerine911S (Post 4649416)
Gokey should have gone home tonight, not Allison. Chris should go next. Top two should have been Adam and Allison. I like Allison better than Adam. His screaming is rediculous and its getting old.

Her mumbly enunciation was ridiculous and getting old. And now she's gone. ( I don't actually mean this, i liked her, but a hell of a lot of people have commented online that she sounds like she has marbles in hour mouth)

But before her time, cause Danny absolutely sucked.

The judges should have not only the save they used earlier, but an over-ride as well. Because he was that bad, he should have been taken out back, had duct tape put over his mouth, and been tossed in a dumpster.

Just terrible.

Btw, first ever all guy top 3 as far as i know.

berettafan 05-07-2009 02:36 AM

Well I have a new appreciation for robert plant. Adam sucked horribly as did the other two guys. But rock isn't what the other two do so you can't judge that.

Who knew slash could actually talk? Pretty well spoken actually.

m21sniper 05-07-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4649859)
Well I have a new appreciation for robert plant. Adam sucked horribly.

o.O

Wow, speechless....

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I thought he kicked considerable ass.

nostatic 05-07-2009 09:35 PM

There is a difference between acting and singing. Plant sings. Lambert acts (but does have an excellent and well-trained voice).

Pop stars need to be actors first. So from that perspective, Lambert is a great "idol." But he ain't a rock singer, I doubt he will break any ground (like Elvis did) or truly push the genre or spill his guts (like Plant or Mercury). He will be a good "star" though.

m21sniper 05-07-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 4651919)
There is a difference between acting and singing. Plant sings. Lambert acts (but does have an excellent and well-trained voice).

Pop stars need to be actors first. So from that perspective, Lambert is a great "idol." But he ain't a rock singer, I doubt he will break any ground (like Elvis did) or truly push the genre or spill his guts (like Plant or Mercury). He will be a good "star" though.

We'll find out in time, i'm betting on him reviving the entire dying genre that is rock.

Mercury is gone, Plant is long since washed up, Rose is a head case, Tyler is aged and inneffective....

"When the legends die, the dreams end; there is no more greatness."

~ Tecumseh, Shawnees Indian Tribe

We need more greatness...

I do agree there is an element of over the topedness, but you know, he is gay...and i like a good stage show anyway, like Axl Rose used to bring, so i have no complaints about that.

berettafan 05-08-2009 03:34 AM

'whole lotta love' w/o the singing is actually a pretty dull tune. what makes it good is plants vocals. the soul he projects.

adam is really starting to show a total lack of range and punch. i dunno why it wasn't apparent before.

the young girl was pretty amazing though. sorry to see her go as she was just starting to enunciate which, to me, made her sound SOOOO much better. a lazy tongue almost never sounds good and she MIGHT have been figuring that out.

berettafan 05-08-2009 03:36 AM

hey snipe i gotta say for a PPOT subject with such strong opinions in various directions you are doing a pretty darned good job of keeping it friendly. good work my friend.

m21sniper 05-08-2009 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 4652048)
hey snipe i gotta say for a PPOT subject with such strong opinions in various directions you are doing a pretty darned good job of keeping it friendly. good work my friend.

I like the music i like, it's highly subjective, and i respect other peoples opinions to differ on subjective subjects. (Not all are the same, i got banned here for 1 day once before for cutting up a car because i said it looked like a euro-sissy wagon or words to that effect, shrug).

Some people get over the top with mean-spiritedness or petty hating, but hey, there are a lot of asses in the world, i am not going to get all worked up over it, especially when it's not even directed at me in particular.

Lambert is gay, edgy, and very "showy", any one of the three would get him hated on by a lot of people. Combine all three, and it's no surprise that he gets criticized a lot. However, he also has a legion of fans, of which, i am one.

I think he's great- the best thing to happen to rock since Axl Rose burst onto the scene in about 87-88.

PS: Thanks for the compliment.

Netspeed 05-08-2009 08:10 AM

I'd have to agree with Beretta.....snipe has really kept it friendly. I do think that Adam is the freshest singer I've seen in a looooonnnnnggggg time. Win or lose, he'll have a really great career.

fingpilot 05-08-2009 09:01 AM

Snipe..... can you sing?

You might be on to something....

m21sniper 05-09-2009 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fingpilot (Post 4652659)
Snipe..... can you sing?

You might be on to something....

Dude if i could sing i'd already be famous- and getting hated on a much grander scale than PPOT. ;)

This just in: A.Lambert will be singing U-2's "One" for this weeks "Judges choice."

The song was selected by Simon Cowell.

911Rob 05-10-2009 02:50 AM

Great job on this thread snipe!

My first time through it; no TV here so Adam was "just" introduced to me and I spent 2.5 hrs going through this entire thread; read all the posts. Super job there buddy.

YOU rock.
thanks!

btw, I really like Adam; some of his songs are just heart wrenching!
I'm no idol fan but my kids went to school with two Shuswap Idol winners and another Shuswap Idol went all the way to Canadian Idol Champ; Suzy Rahn. Her dads a retired realtor and I've seen her sing many times; kinda Avril style gal. I love watching the live performances.

Anywho, you're doing a great job with this thread.
Cheers ;)

m21sniper 05-10-2009 09:07 AM

Thanks Rob, you seem to have good taste in music based on that other vid you posted. Surprised me, i'd have not thought a 49yo Candain realtor would be so rockin'. :D

Gonna go google the girl you just mentioned now. Have a nice day man, take that lovely wife of yours someplace nice for mother's day. :)

krichard 05-12-2009 05:15 PM

OMG I wanted to stab screwdrivers into my ears during that horrible rendition of U2's One Love. He sounded like crap.

bell 05-12-2009 05:21 PM

You're not the only one........

m21sniper 05-12-2009 05:21 PM

I've been watching since season 3 (Bo Bice vs Kerry Underwood), and IMO that was by far the best top 3 performance show i can remember.

I thought the little guy was cooked until he busted out that Kanye West song, which was just awesome, Gokey was to me the best he's been in weeks(though i really still feel he's living on stolen time after he MURDERED dream on last week), and Lambert was, well-- Perfect.

Kara: "Who hits those notes?"

Randy: "Adam Lambert does"

Simon even made a special plea for his fans to vote for him, i would, but i cannot even get through...lol.

m21sniper 05-12-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 4660121)
OMG I wanted to stab screwdrivers into my ears during that horrible rendition of U2's One Love. He sounded like crap.

Thought it was brilliant, as did all 4 judges. And even if you didn't like it, it was NOWHERE NEAR the abortion that was last weeks version of Gokey's Dream on. That one was perhaps among the 10 worst performances in AI history. And by far the worst ever in top 5 history. That was hideous. Truly hideous.

The one problem i had with "one", is that it's really hard to take a long epic song and cut it down to 1:30.

But anyway, it's subjective.

Shrug.

krichard 05-12-2009 05:28 PM

holly crap the second performance was worse than the first. I can't believe the judges are up his ass? He really sux bad.

m21sniper 05-12-2009 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 4660147)
holly crap the second performance was worse than the first. I can't believe the judges are up his ass? He really sux bad.

You're not just trolling are you?

(And to think i actually hit my remove from ignore button to read your posts in this thread, lol, i guess now i remember why you were on there to begin with- unrelated to this thread).

Hate away.

BTW- not a big U2 fan, so that song really didn't inspire me, and i also think cryin'- while awesome when first released- is a totally played out song(thanks asswipe radio stations of America). So though i thought he did both songs extremely well, for me the actual songs didn't much get it done for me.

krichard 05-12-2009 05:37 PM

No not trolling. I thought Adam sucked, Gokey was boring and Kris redeemed himself on that last song big time. It will be close, predicting Kris and Adam in the finals with Adam squeaking it out.

m21sniper 05-12-2009 05:40 PM

BTW, just did a little expriment. I can get through easily to Gokey and Allen's numbers- but Lamberts lines are still hit or miss with a busy signal.

Looks like he will be back for the finals.

lyon 05-12-2009 05:40 PM

That guy really sucks. A complete sell out. American Idol sucks to.

m21sniper 05-12-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lyon (Post 4660176)
That guy really sucks. A complete sell out. American Idol sucks to.

You're a poster that i would add to ignore, if only you were relevant in any way.

But the simple fact is that you are a failure, even as a troll.

m21sniper 05-12-2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by krichard (Post 4660168)
No not trolling. I thought Adam sucked, Gokey was boring and Kris redeemed himself on that last song big time. It will be close, predicting Kris and Adam in the finals with Adam squeaking it out.

Dude i respect and appreciate your right to have a subjective opinion, but to say Adam(or any of the remaining 3 at this stage) "sucks ass", come now, that's ridiculous, and smells of Tom trollery. ;)

I do agree with your finals choice though. I wouldn't even mind seeing the little guy win the show.

Lambert is going to be a superstar regardless of what happens from here out on AI, so i'm not overly concerned with that. Kris would get a huge boost to his career from the win though, and i like him, so it wouldn't trouble me to see him win.

Gokey though, he should have went home last week. He sucked on dream on, objectively, legitimately, sucked.

lyon 05-12-2009 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4660186)
You're a poster that i would add to ignore, if only you were relevant in any way.

But the simple fact is that you are a failure, even as a troll.

Good one, get a job and stop polluting this forum with your garbage. Your taste in music sucks.

krichard 05-12-2009 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m21sniper (Post 4660188)
Dude i respect and appreciate your right to have a subjective opinion, but to say Adam(or any of the remaining 3 at this stage) "sucks ass", come now, that's ridiculous, and smells of Tom trollery. ;)

I guess what I'm trying to say is I expected more at this point in the competition and it seemed like Adam only brought the scream tonight. The others didn't do much either, Kris did show some signs of real talent as a artist with the last song.

No doubt Adam is a very talented. I just didn't buy it tonight.

m21sniper 05-12-2009 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyon (Post 4660197)
Good one, get a job and stop polluting this forum with your garbage. Your taste in music sucks.

You are a daily reminder of how not to conduct myself. That is why i read every single one of your posts.

So once more, thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by krichard (Post 4660207)
I guess what I'm trying to say is I expected more at this point in the competition and it seemed like Adam only brought the scream tonight. The others didn't do much either, Kris did show some signs of real talent as a artist with the last song.

No doubt Adam is a very talented. I just didn't buy it tonight.

Fair enough man.

berettafan 05-12-2009 06:24 PM

he only brought the scream because he can't effing sing.

he's a gimmick.

Super_Dave_D 05-12-2009 06:31 PM

I was always a fan of Adam and I always thought that he has a great voice but week after week I am starting to tire of him. He will win this thing but I just don’t see buying his stuff. Could you imagine listening to 12-14 songs of his! OK so the guy can do some cover rock pretty well. Lets see what happens when it’s his own music. Man that guy can scream!

Moses 05-12-2009 08:24 PM

Funny. I think Adam really CAN sing, but he resorts to the alto screech way too much. He butchered "One". It was painful to listen to. He's got range, but he's in desperate need of some vocal discipline. It's nice to hit those high registers when the song requires it, but he sang most of the U2 song like his nuts were in a vise.

rammstein 05-12-2009 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Moses (Post 4660470)
Funny. I think Adam really CAN sing, but he resorts to the alto screech way too much. He butchered "One". It was painful to listen to. He's got range, but he's in desperate need of some vocal discipline. It's nice to hit those high registers when the song requires it, but he sang most of the U2 song like his nuts were in a vise.

Totally agree.

cantdrv55 05-12-2009 09:27 PM

It must be different listening to him live because I can't understand how the judges thought Lambert's "One" was all that. To me, it was a zero.

m21sniper 05-12-2009 10:41 PM

A few of the bloggers have mentioned that Adam has the highest number of "anti-fans" so that may be a problem for him. We'll know tommorow.


Moses:

Lambert is probably the most trained and disciplined professional voice AI has seen since Clay Aiken.

He also has the most amazing high register i've ever seen on that show (or at all since jeez, i dont know when- Tyler in his prime?), and i can see why he wants/likes to use it. It's got to be very hard to have that kind of high end power and not flaunt it. Not using it would be like having a 1000hp 911 turbo and puttering around at 40mph.

He is to me very much like Axl Rose, who was defined by his screeching high register, and who used and relied on it constantly. A lot of people didn't like Axl Rose's voice either (in fact some people hated his voice), but i loved it.

I thought One was magnificently sung(though im not a big fan of any U2 stuff), and Bono must be a fan because there's no way he'd have agreed to allow him to sing it if he didn't think Lambert was worthy. Remember, he gave his personal blessing to allow this. I'll look for his comments about it after the fact, i'm willing to be they'll be glowing.

Beretta Fan, it's bewildering to think anyone would honestly say "he can't sing"(esp. considering your earlier comments in this thread where you said he was great).

His low register is fantastic, he has tremendous vocal control and can bridge effortlessly and stay perfectly in pitch and on key- that's what all the articles i read say, and my layman's ears sure can't find any flaws.

The judges (all of them) rave about him every week for a reason. Cowell just said he's one of the most talented singers AI has ever had tonight, and that's really saying something. Nor do you ever see Cowell making personal pleas to a contestants fans to "not assume he's going to make it, so vote for him." If Cowell for one second thought he was overhyped or sucked, he would say so. The one performance he didn't like- ring of fire, Simon called "Utter rubbish."

Once Lamberts album is made and the singles are playing on the radio you won't have to listen to 10 straight songs of him "screaming."(though i gladly would)

It will be 1 song interspersed with 10 songs by very ordinary singers and when you hear that one Lambert track with his tremendous carnal screams the 'blow you out of your socks' effect will be maximized, and it will again become "special" instead of "tired."

He has also done performances where he has barely used the high register at all, like Mad world and Tracks of my tears too though.

The one that i find tiresome and i would call "Mr. Same sauce" is Danny Gokey. But it's all subjective.


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