Pilots who 'get it' vs pilots that are trained

[Embraer]

Originally Posted by oldschoollear

That's funny. Whyn though? Is she a little "piggy" in the summer?

haha....the 135's are capable of 9999 fpm on the VSI...or so i've been told.

although...it's no rocket ship like a straight wing lear.

[old man neri]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

My sister was a Blackhawk medevac pilot in Iraq and Astan as well.

Originally Posted by Snapper33

You know the deal........pics or ban.

Close enough?

[m21sniper]

No chance.

[rattlsnak]

Originally Posted by Embraer

S.j.s.

Yes, Shiny Jet Syndrome has alot to do with it.

How many of you would give your left nut to drive a Porsche RS Spyder around Daytona? Would you do it for free? Would you refuse if they offered to pay but pay pennies? Or would you demand to get paid as much as a pro race car driver? If you wont do it, there are THOUSANDS right behind you who will.

Its NO different in aviation. Because of the avaition explosion in the mid 2000's, companies couldnt get pilots fast enough to cover airplane deliveries, so they lower the mins to get more people in. And of course, pay has never been adjusted because there are COUNTLESS people who would it for basically free, just to fly a nice new shiny jet around. "S.J.S."

[450knotOffice]

Originally Posted by oldschoollear

What "ram horned" beauty is that?

Here it is...an Embraer 140 Regional Jet...ERJ140


I would love to spend some time in an old Lear 24 (or 35 for that matter).

(btw, due to my long tenure at the airline - 18 years - my salary is actually pretty good, much higher than the much publicized 16-20K that junior regional airline first officers are (wrongly) paid).

[fingpilot]

Two of my many rides over the years....

[fingpilot]

One for the commute, the other for the commute...

[MT930]

Hat’s off to you professional pilots. I left the aviation field in 1991 due to the pay, not that it was real bad I just had other business opportunities that paid 4X (family business) what I was making flying in the charter capacity C-414, C-501 & many others. I grew up flying; private license at 18yo empted lavs and fueled planes though high school to be around aircraft and pilots. Flew what ever I could get my hands on, Cessna’s, luscombs, T-craft homebuilts, mostly tail draggers off of grass strips. I flight instructed through college at a university part 141 flight school had to tell a few flight students that golf was a safer vocation; some people should not operate high speed machinery. Went to school for the aerospace business degree. I flew for 3 years as charter pilot for a high end fixed based operator in Wyoming. Loved it!

Flying is certainly my first love, my rational was that if I made enough money I could own my own plane and fly when ever I wanted an when I wanted, well I got to do that I however was capped out with piston twins C-310 & C-414, Beech Baron’s still plenty of challenge in the rocky mountains mostly for business and pleasure. After living in Montana & Wyoming for a while I got introduced to backcountry flying, AKA Mountain flying 1500 Foot grass strips in Montana and Idaho. Flying Super Cubs, C-180, and C-206’s.

I was addicted, big time! got to fly, camp, fish, hunt in areas with no people. Heaven on earth for me. I still keep current in the little stuff, I like a tail draggers because like 911 you need to keep on your toes, they have a tendency of swapping ends when you lest expect it, they also allow landing areas that a tricycle gear air plane would have difficulties.

My point in this is, many people like me leave professional flying because the pay is not great and there are many things they fail to mention in the brochure i.e. living out of a suite case and changing jobs with companies & flight dept’s that may not last. I have several friends that I flew with that are flying wide bodies on international routes for freight companies and the airlines. I offend wish that I had stuck it out, they sometime tell me that they wish they had gone the business route like I did. I still keep a hand in it and believe that no matter what your flying, airmanship & training are the only things that will keep you from making a smoking hole.

[Hard-Deck]

Originally Posted by MT930

I could own my own plane and fly when ever I wanted an when I wanted

My dad was an Alaska bush pilot. Knowing what I know now at age 40 (way too old to be worth a salt as a fighter pilot) I wish I could trade my time to be a bush pilot. It's all about the 'real' stick-and-rudder time down low.

[VINMAN]

I have 21 hrs in one of these..

[air-cool-me]

i miss my turboprop.

[BlueSideUp]

Sometimes I miss the turboprop too, actually I really miss the handlebars. That is a great control system. I never installed tassles or a bell though.

What was the nickname for the ATR? I flew with an ex-ASA guy the other day but I can't remember what he called it.

Thanks for giving us the crappy 200s of the fleet BTW I just spent the last two days in 863AS, 864AS, and 865AS. 863 was by far the most craptastic of the three.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Man you guys are spoiled... What's with all them television screens? You guys have DVD players in your cockpits? Real airplanes have steam gauges.

[Embraer]

if it was a real airplane, it would have FADEC....

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by MT930

Flying is certainly my first love, my rational was that if I made enough money I could own my own plane and fly when ever I wanted an when I wanted, well I got to do that I however was capped out with piston twins C-310 & C-414, Beech Baron’s still plenty of challenge in the rocky mountains mostly for business and pleasure. After living in Montana & Wyoming for a while I got introduced to backcountry flying, AKA Mountain flying 1500 Foot grass strips in Montana and Idaho. Flying Super Cubs, C-180, and C-206’s.

I was addicted, big time! got to fly, camp, fish, hunt in areas with no people. Heaven on earth for me. I still keep current in the little stuff, I like a tail draggers because like 911 you need to keep on your toes, they have a tendency of swapping ends when you lest expect it, they also allow landing areas that a tricycle gear air plane would have difficulties.

My point in this is, many people like me leave professional flying because the pay is not great and there are many things they fail to mention in the brochure i.e. living out of a suite case and changing jobs with companies & flight dept’s that may not last. I have several friends that I flew with that are flying wide bodies on international routes for freight companies and the airlines. I offend wish that I had stuck it out, they sometime tell me that they wish they had gone the business route like I did. I still keep a hand in it and believe that no matter what your flying, airmanship & training are the only things that will keep you from making a smoking hole.

Even if I do not attain my goal of becoming a pilot, I will experience bush flying before I die, hopefully in AK. There's nothing I can think of that would be more fun.

[Ray B]

Some folks are born with an aptitude to fly, others are not. In my days as a primary flight instructor in the Navy I saw quite a few well screened applicants who simply couldn't "get it". Unfortunately some are pushed through for various reasons (usually legal) with predictable results. My current ride:

[air-cool-me]

What was the nickname for the ATR? I flew with an ex-ASA guy the other day but I can't remember what he called it.

Thanks for giving us the crappy 200s of the fleet BTW I just spent the last two days in 863AS, 864AS, and 865AS. 863 was by far the most craptastic of the three.

the frog\ cloud plow\ flying dumpster

one of our maintenance guys used to tell horror storys about 863.. it always concluded with "we gave that buggy piece of sh*%$ to the mormons"

[450knotOffice]

Ray, I'm guessing you're with Delta out of Atlanta?

[rattlsnak]

Scott, yes he is, and the ATR was called the 'Party Boat" when I was there, partially because it had a crew of 4 and all the hot, junior F/A's were stuck on it and it had 20 hour overnights in Panama City, i.e. Club LaVela... whew,. the stories i've,.... uh,.. heard,...

[450knotOffice]

...kind of reminds me of my old Miami days on the same airplane (not that this married guy ever saw anything first hand, but I heard about it).