Porsche owner run over and killed after confronting fellow driver in deadly L.I. road

[URY914]

No way. All he had to do was lock himself in the car. No need to run him over.
Porsche Dude did not :
-have a gun
-have a bat
-have a knife

Kid over reacted. You don't run someone over for yelling at you.

[TimT]

I'm sorry, the dude deserved to get ran over, for all we know he was about to violently assault that smallish kid, and IMO that kid should definitely not be facing the charges he is now, IF the above facts are correct.

Don't think so..

This is a supposition, but...

Whatever caused this really doesn't matter who dissed who is not relevant.

I think the Altima driver got called out on his behind the wheel bravado..6'5" Porsche driver probably acted irrationally....Yes he should have let it go...

Probably before the Porsche driver was out of his car.... the Altima driver was 7'9" and could deck Ali ,Frazier and Tyson simply by glancing at them..And drive faster than Andretti, Unser, Holbert, Schumacher, and Senna..

Porsche driver unfolds out of his car and confronts kid pumped on adrenalin and testosterone.

Altima drivers imaginary confidence evaporates when he sees this....

In the end Altima driver runs over Porsche driver..

Also National Blvd and Park are about 1/4 mile from a Police station...

Wouldn't you head for a Police Station if you were under threat?

[fintstone]

Seems to me that the kid asked for...and deserved and ass whipping... He was not man enough to cash the check that his mouth/actions apparently wrote...and drove over the other man who apparently pointed out what a big-mouthed, spineless pussy he was. I hope he rots in jail.

[speeder]

I was thinking about what many people here have written about what they would do if they caught someone keying or vandalising their Porsche., Here we had a guy who was probably obsessed w/ his clean old SC and he gets in a road beef w/ a little ass hole who then throws something at his car and probably hit it. Imagine if you were already pissed and that just made you snap. I don't see how the guy could have been that crazed unless the young guy did something really egregious. I'm not justifying the big guy's behavior, (he clearly flipped-out), but it helps me understand it. Otherwise normal people can go postal with the right trigger. For him it was the assault on his beloved car. I

've seen a road beef where a guy on a bike spit on a car driver for honking at him and it turned into a full-on roadside brawl. One Swedish tourist, (who looked like a pretty boy), against what looked like the UCLA offensive line on MCs.

Pretty boy must have had a black belt in something because by the time I caught up to them, (I saw initial beef/honk/spit), the spitter was laying on the ground holding his head w/ both hands and his buddies were all in full surrender mode while Swede was in a fight stance. I guess being spit on was his trigger to get out of the car against four 200+ lb. tough guys.

[Gogar]

Snipe, I don't understand why you think it's okay for a guy to drive his car over another person, and smoosh their head like a watermelon, brains on the street,

But an angry cop kicking a gang member who just led 10 cop cars and 2 helicopters on a 40-minute car chase is outrageous.

[aigel]

I am missing the video - for some reason it does not play for me:
Nobody mentioned this yet: The kid called 911. You don't do that unless you feel seriously threatened, especially if you are partly responsible for the ugly situation you are in.
Does this free you of a manslaughter conviction? I don't know.

The big guy got out of the car - dumb move. You may be over 6' but a Nissan in the hands of a scared kid (who appears to be no saint either) is bigger ...

Just sounds like two guys found one another. Most the time, with two parties involved, one will be smart and back down. If the wrong two people meet, however ...

I am not buying the "he was a real calm guy ..." I am reading. Obviously he was calm, but short tempered if provoked.

In the end, I think this all came about because the SC guy wished he had a 993 - he would have outrun the rental car.

George

[porsche4life]

Its a shame.


There is a nice SC available now however....

[Aurel]

Originally Posted by Gogar

Snipe, I don't understand why you think it's okay for a guy to drive his car over another person, and smoosh their head like a watermelon, brains on the street,

But an angry cop kicking a gang member who just led 10 cop cars and 2 helicopters on a 40-minute car chase is outrageous.

Sniper cannot stand cops, but can stand being run over by cars .

[GothingNC]

Originally Posted by URY914

No way. All he had to do was lock himself in the car. No need to run him over.
Porsche Dude did not :
-have a gun
-have a bat
-have a knife

Kid over reacted. You don't run someone over for yelling at you.

I agree.

Kid should have just rolled up the windows, locked the doors and stayed in the car till the cops came.

[URY914]

I don't see how you guys can justify killing a man that is only mad at you.

[onewhippedpuppy]

The Porsche guy blocked the Altima guy multiple times, got out of his car and beat on the Altima hood, then again blocked any escape path (unfortunately with his body). What did the Altima guy do? Talk trash?

It's also telling that the Altima driver tried to escape multiple times and also called 911. Those are not the actions of someone trying to pick a fight, those are the actions of someone being attacked. He should get off for this.

[Rick Lee]

I know NY is nothing like the free states with good self-defense laws. But in states where you are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself, you're usually covered if you make an overt attempt to withdraw from the fight. I'd say his attempts to escape and calling 911 would cover his butt in many states. Probably not in NY though.

I believe the first test case in TX's CCW law was a road rage incident, where the defense claimed a victim should not have to wait until his last breath before using deadly force.

[ramonesfreak]

well at least the SC was not hurt. this dude sounds like a prick. i used to live close to where this happened. i cant imagine anything like this happening in long beach. if some big dude had jumped out of his car and was acting like he was going to tear my head off, my survival mode would kick in and i would have done exactly what this kid did. perhaps there is more to the story however....

what a ridiculously stupid way to title an article, "porsche owner..."

[ramonesfreak]

Originally Posted by URY914

I don't see how you guys can justify killing a man that is only mad at you.

i thought that at first. even though i lived in long beach and can not imagine this happening, my instincts always told me when i lived in the NYC surrounding areas that you NEVER know who you are dealing with.

perhaps im sensitive, but my rule while living in NYC area was, -- anyone that touches me or my stuff with anger, most likely wants to kill me and will kill me --

If some psycho was blocking you in and pounding on your hood, you would not go into self-defense mode?

[stomachmonkey]

Victim is from Lloyd Harbor, very affluent, the North Shore, LI's Gold Coast.

Kid from Oceanside, South Shore, defiantly middle to upper middle class with pockets of real wealth.

If you know anything about LI you'll understand that there are stereotypical "mindsets" associated with both towns/shores that I'm willing to bet had a role to play in how the whole thing started and escalated.

Wondering why the victim was in Long Beach. You don't just happen to drive through LB. It's not easy to get to so it's more often than not a destination. If I had to guess I'd say he was at one of the many waterside party bars. Wonder if he had a case of beer muscles.

Very unfortunate incident for all.

[Danimal16]

Originally Posted by GothingNC

I agree.

Kid should have just rolled up the windows, locked the doors and stayed in the car till the cops came.

The kid should never have reengaged.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by srandallf

If some psycho was blocking you in and pounding on your hood, you would not go into self-defense mode?

Sure, self defense is locking the doors and calling 9-1-1. Not dropping it into gear and running over an unarmed man. He could have moved up slowly and pushed him out of the way. The man did not deserve to die for beating on a punk's hood with his bare hands.

[speeder]

What are the chances of someone that large winding up under the car? I've seen countless car vs. pedestrian videos and stills plus had many friends hit by cars and it seems like at least 90% of the time they go up on the hood/windshield or get launched in some fashion. This was some bad luck for both of them. The kid could have at the least stopped moving when the guy disappeared under the front of the car, there will be a "reckless disregard for human life argument" at his trial that may define manslaughter or murder 2 in NYC. (Don't know their laws).

[speeder]

Just within the last month or so we had a similar case in SoCal where two guys were beefing on the side of the freeway and one of them intentionally rammed the other when he was standing between the two cars. (Parallel parked on side of freeway). Killed him, FWIW.

Who stands in front of a car being driven by someone that you are in a fight with??? WTF is wrong w/ people?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by speeder

Who stands in front of a car being driven by someone that you are in a fight with??? WTF is wrong w/ people?

Like bringing a pocket knife to a big gunfight.