Fastest gun ever

[afterburn 549]

OK I am still a skeptic, Some of you mathematicians do the numbers . feed in the min amount of inches he has to move and see how fast miles per hour he goes...?
I am a skeptic here ,I do not think he is doing what we are seeing at all !!

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by RPKESQ

It is a just a single action Colt.

It has been modified only to allow "thumb cocking while trigger is held back", which is a simple modification. What you are not seeing or do not realize is that his right hand only draws and holds down the trigger. His left hand fingers pull the hammer back which when released falls under spring pressue to fire the round. The next finger repeats this action. As the second clip shows you can do this for as many times as you have fingers on your non drawing hand. Thats the trick, nothing more. Also, blanks have no recoil so there is no recovery between shots.

Normal repeating firearms must load, fire, eject, and load again to have rapid fire. In this case there is nothing but hammer cocking, hammer falling, pre-loaded cylinder indexing to be accomplished. That all takes just hundreds of a second to do.

This sport has been around for some time and these competitors all are very quick.

That nails it. I couldn't see the second finger graze the hammer.

[afterburn 549]

So, He draws, fires 2 shots, ( No matter how ) and puts it back in the holster so fast the human eye can not follow it.....
Still a skeptic here.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

So, He draws, fires 2 shots, ( No matter how ) and puts it back in the holster so fast the human eye can not follow it.....
Still a skeptic here.

There are many skilled human actions that are faster than the eye can follow. Much of "hand" magic uses this ability. Google fast draw competion or exhibition and learn what is possible.

Slight gun alteration, technique and practice makes this all possible.

[afterburn 549]

OK he has to pull thing out of the holster @ least 3 " from there hit the 1st target...OK.. sweep from there .. rotate on the barrels axis shoot again................................
To give him the Benefit of doubt he pulls shoots, rotates on the "barrels" axis shoots again, then holsters the revolver............................NOT ever gonna happen.
He has to at least shoot booth rounds at once...His "wheel is angled so as to hit one target, the barrel the other...............and then it is still Way fast.
\To pull 3" shoot, rotate, shoot, holster, he has covered at least 6" of linear movement at >.2 sec ..?
Puts his hand speed into space shuttle speed
Nope.
He is a magician
Not gonna happen
Given at 3 " of movement in .2 sec ......................imposable...Not even a machine is capable...well a Gatling gun maybe

[slodave]

Check this video out.


At about 1:00, they have some slow motion showing what he is doing.

EDIT: Seems plausible. It shows the gun cocked as he brings it out of the holster, then his left hand cocks it again while his finger is still on the trigger, letting the spring fire the next shot as RPKESQ mentioned.

[afterburn 549]

Put some objective movie cameras on him then I will believe.................he has to move @ 500 MPH to make this happen ( near as I can figure )

[Drdogface]

While I hate to admit it, Frenchy is exactly correct on how it's done. I have personally seen Bob Mudane, as we call him, and while he is fast he is just as fast with his mouth. There are others that are damn near as fast or faster. Cal Erlich, Bob James and Bob Oglesby to name just a few. They all have their act, and are good at it. The guns are highty modded to be able to do this. When they shoot live rounds or wax bullets they also have a steel plate extending below the holster to protect their leg against AD's. The holsters are also very custom in design.

While none of the above makes this easy it does help and LOTS of practice and natural ability is involved. Of the four that I mentioned, Bob Mundane is the most full of himself. Except for the fast draw, a lot of his act is trickery and magic BS.

For my money, Cal Erlich and Bob Oglesby are much better and nicer guys by a long shot.

[slodave]

You can see him wearing the holster in the vid I posted.

My dad has a friend that was into quick draw. He retired the day of his AD. Bullet made a nice hole in his holster and shoe/boot. He was lucky it missed his leg or foot.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

Meh. THIS guy is impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBAPEs5gaaM

He's good, and firing real rounds.

The other guy is full of it, and himself. "Speed of light".........jackass.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

He's good, and firing real rounds.

.45 ACP in that revolver. Only thing special about it is the action has been given a once-over to smooth it out--very common for competitive and even recreational and defensive shooters.

Miculek is the real deal.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=14751&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=15706&isFirearm=Y

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

He's good, and firing real rounds.

The other guy is full of it, and himself. "Speed of light".........jackass.

Both are masters in their own chosen game. You cannot compare the two as apples to apples. Both are far from real combat shooting skills.

Fast draw is an entire competition with rules and the equipment and techniques are (like any form of competition) pushed to the limits the rules allow. It's main goal to to draw, fire and holster in as short of time as possible. Blanks or wax bullets are used. Stationary shooting position, targets are very close. Not very realistic to actual combat.

Miculek is the real deal in his game. These guns are modified for speed loading, shotguns have larger extension mags (that are too weak for real combat), red dot or optical sights, extra ammo in open, quick to access holders, etc. In short far from real life as the fast draw game. Just different. And the loads they shoot are light loads, not full combat loads. The most hits in the shortest period of time is the winner. Still not very realistic to combat.

To deride one over the other is baseless. Both excell at their own game. Both use "showmanship" to entertain. Both are not realistic shooting skills in actual combat.

[m21sniper]

Either one would shoot any of our asses dead in a close range gunfight probably 99 times out of 100. Ultimately, i'd say that makes them for real.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by m21sniper

Either one would shoot any of our asses dead in a close range gunfight probably 99 times out of 100. Ultimately, i'd say that makes them for real.

Only if one was to act like a target or try to be John Wayne.

No one skilled in CQB would do either, so these two shooters skills are hardly applicable to real life.

That does not diminish the skills they demonstrate.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

RPKESQ, you are either being intentionally uninformed or simply envious of someone who can actually shoot (as opposed to admiring the expensive British shotguns hanging on his wall).

Do a little research before shooting....your mouth off.

[Jeff Higgins]

I have personally met Bob Munden and have seen him perform on a number of occasions. I have handled the single action Colts he uses in his shows. The man is the "real deal", and a legend among us single action affectionados. He is also a master gunsmith, doing probably the best work in the world today on the SAA.

Many of his guns are modified into what we call "slip guns". It's an easy modification - one simply removes the trigger and replaces the hammer with a "fanning" or "slip" hammer. Many of the old gunfighters modified their "hideout" or "belly" guns in this manner. Without the trigger, the hammer will not stay at full cock. The piece is fired by simply pulling the hammer all the way back and letting it slip out from under the thumb. Alternatively, the off hand just "fans" the hammer, or more accurately, just slaps at it. It is a very fast way to shoot a single action, as Mr. Munden so ably demonstrates.

The trigger is removed in a large part because the delicate finger on the back of it that engages the notches on the hammer tends to break off under this kind of abuse. In doing so, it jams up the lockwork and ties up the gun.

Mr. Munden is a showman, there is no doubt about that. But the man definitely knows what he is doing, and he knows he knows what he is doing. The only man I have ever seen who has even come close with the single action is Thell Reed, who is equally fast, but a bit more modest about it. Mr. Reed actually used to win IPSC matches with single action Colts, back when he could carry two of them for stages requiring more than five shots. The race gun boys finally got tired of having their asses handed to them by some cowboy with a single action, so they passed a "one gun" rule, effectively ending Thell's run.

Don't ever discount the single action as a capable fighting gun. Anyone who practices with one is quite well armed indeed. I have, myself, thoroughly embarrassed an awful lot of semi-auto shooters at the old gravel pit...

[Drdogface]

Jeff,
I have met Mundan and Cal Erlich and Bob Oglesby. I agree that Mundan is fast and knows what he'd doing but over all I find him so self indulged that the whole package is not that attractive...but having said that, most observers don't know that much about him. Cal and Bob Oglesby are both equally fast often enough to take major championships in that sport and they are both nice gentlemen. Every year at the CAS match that Cal puts on he opens his home to all shooters for a large party where everything is free to all. The walls of his basement bar/party room are lined with his trophy plaques.

[RPKESQ]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

RPKESQ, you are either being intentionally uninformed or simply envious of someone who can actually shoot (as opposed to admiring the expensive British shotguns hanging on his wall).

Do a little research before shooting....your mouth off.

Beg to differ. I have extensive experience in firearms, building them, repairing and modifying them and using them. Whatever gave your addled mind the idea I only know how to look at fine guns?

My shooting experiences range from training and shooting with several renown experts including Jeff Cooper. I studied, participated in and taught CQB in the military. I have hunted on 5 continents quite successfully and continue to shoot at least once a week. I taught firearm self defense and competed in several different
"games", from high powered rifle, to skeet and sporting clays, to IPSC, to Olympic small bore pistol and rifle. There really isn't much I have at least not tried with firearms. How about you?

So, just what did I post to get your panties in a twist?

[Jeff Higgins]

Gotta go with RPKESQ on this one; the vast majority of exhibition shooters, and a good number of shooting competitions, have absolutely nothing to do with the skills and/or equipment required in the "real world". While the exhibition guys are certainly skillful and entertaining, and the competitions very difficult, both have long since lost their original intent of demonstrating any semblance of "real world" application. The "gamesmen" have pushed both the equipment and skills to a very narrowly defined set of parameters required to win under specific, controlled conditions. Fast draw, speed shooting, and finely tuned "race guns" have no application outside of these exhibitions and competitions. There isn't even any "trickle down" of technology anymore into things that can be used in the field, or in self defense, law enforcement, or combat. It's all become too specialized.

[m21sniper]

The overwhelming majority of real world gun fights involve 2 guys facing off at about 10 feet or less.

Any of these speed shooters would be EXTREMELY dangerous in any such realistic gunfight.