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AT&T data no longer unlimited
From the WSJ today. New subscribers are not going to be able to get unlimited plans. I expect they will dump all "unlimited" plans soon.
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If verizon adopts simillar policies, I'll have to turn the wifi back on on my droid. Last month's data usage was 9.31 gb, but I never use my wifi.
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I need to measure data usage for self and wife. I suspect we'll be able to downshift to one of the cheaper plans and either save money, or add a iPhone for my daughter for the same monthly budget.
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I'm reading that 2% of T's wireless subs consume 25% of the bandwidth. They say that 65% of smartphone subs use <200MB/month and 98% use <2GB/month. Someone using 10GB/month is not profitable, or not profitable enough, for T.
They'd like to get rid of those people and/or force them to use WiFi more, while using lower-priced plans to attract more subs.
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The plans were never unlimited. They were called "unlimited" but the fine print spelled out a bandwidth cap and fees for exceeding that cap.
All AT&T did was change the name of their plan, and publicize the cap and fees.
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Unlimited plans are never truly unlimited.
This concerns me more as it's the 1st shot across the bow for pay per usage models. Cable providers have been mulling exactly the same model for a couple of years now but I think no one wants to be the first to test the waters for fear of consumer backlash. Larry Ellison envisioned digital distribution as the future of media delivery 15 years ago. Took longer than he anticipated but it's here, Netflix, Hulu, PlayStation Network, xBox Marketplace, Steam, youtube, etc.... My fear is the cable providers will turn streaming services into premium tiers. You can get your basic broadband access for $xx.xx per month but access to high bandwidth services will become an additional premium channel same as HBO, Cinemax or even HD content.
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My first question when I read this was how much data do I use in a month? With my old shoe of a phone I'm sure it's not that much (9gb?!) but I want to find out.
I like the idea that I could/potentially save a little $$ every month, the $30/mo option is required for my phone. |
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You can bet cable CEOs touch themselves at night while dreaming of this...
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Think of the latest Sony PSP-GO. No longer uses a disc. Product is downloaded from the PlayStation Network either directly to the PSP-GO or to a PS3 then transferred. If a high data service Like PSN is placed into a premium tier then you'll effectively be paying a download tax for the product. Or think of it this way. You use Netflix and rather than having discs mailed to you, you stream them to your gaming console or PC. Next time you go to grab a movie a box pops up telling you that you need to pay $xx.xx more per month to access Netflix via your cable providers network.
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So, more like Pay per View, than HBO.
I really don't have a problem with the concept, as long as there is competition and I have a choice. If I don't like Comcast, I can get Dish, Direct TV or Uverse. I have 2, well, maybe 3 now, options for Broadband (WiMax just went live here). I'm not a bandwidth hog, so I don't have an issue with this. It is kind of interesting, phone service is now all you can eat, but data will be pay per byte? OTOH, voice data is infinitesimal these days.
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More like HBO, it's generally not a part of a standard package, you pay extra for it or buy a higher tier package that includes it. So the thought is to "break up" the internet. Standard sites that don't use a lot of bandwidth are part of the base package. If you want to watch youtube videos you need to either add it as a premium channel or move up to a higher tier package that includes it. It's a weird situation. Currently cable providers negotiate with networks to carry their programming and the cost is passed on to the consumer. Cable providers incur a cost by providing access to high usage sites that needs to be amortized across their subscriber base. As more media moves online and ESD becomes more prevalent the providers infrastructure will need upgrading to keep up with demand. Broadband penetration by household is around 65%. Taking into account geographic locations that are not profitable to service it would appear that providers are close to saturation. So they are looking at pricing models that will offset increased infrastructure costs among the existing customer base.
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I cancelled my ATT home phone, and DSL service yesterday. My new comcast internet, home phone, and 2nd line for fax is $45 per month. AT&T was $105 last month which included $14 for long distance in which not one single long distance call was made (it was all fees, surcharges, & crap). Good Riddence AT&T! |
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Switched to Uverse, we'll see what that's like...phone, 12Mbps internet and 250 channels of crap for $150 a month. [/segue]
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I'm surprised people don't make this comparison more often. In the dawn of the internet you paid for an online service by the minute.
then they went to 'unlimited usage!' We have (had?) 'unlimited usage* (gbps)' for internet and internet enabled phones. *not to exceed 5gb per month or some nonesense that does not equal unlimited even though that is the word they use Now Comcast is publicly capping data usage on their cable networks (250gb per month I think). ATT announces these plans plus a tethering CHARGE! You're going to have to PAY to enable TETHERING!!! Verizon will do exactly the same thing - they have been discussing it and are the worst about killing folks off their network if they over use on their 'unlimited' plans. When they first started putting out those EVDO cards and we used them where I worked we got plenty of warning letters from them over users using more than 5gbs. We're back to the 'per x' charges. StomachMonkey is right - it really could become an 'internet tax' sort of situation if you access a 'defined premium' site and are on a basic tier of internet access. It would be tragic to the consumer I think since there really isn't a good mechanism to encourage competition. You can say 'open access' like the telcos must provide to their lines but Comcast is ordered to do this in a few markets and allow Earthlink on their lines. Earthlink must adhere to Comcast's caps as well. There is no competition there - it's Comcast's way or the highway. So even though you get your bill from Earthlink - you're a Comcast customer. I've worked for ISP's in the past and worked in instances where open access was a requirement and it is a joke. The cable provider still has to manage everything about the other compay's 'customers'. The only option I feel is for the infrastructure to be either publicly owned or the conduit to be publicly owned. In that case a company could run their own fiber in the conduit to a neighborhood and provide services and competition. Letting the companies dig and own the lines blocks out any form of competition at all. I live in the greater Los Angeles area. Time Warner and Charter are the only cable provider these days (10 years ago there were 4 locally). Charter pretty much just has Long Beach I think. In my neighborhood I can't get DSL. I can get a satellite but I can't get DSL for internet access. I can't get FIOS, my only choice is Earthlink (which I had for a while) via Time Warner or Time Warner directly. Competition in the cable tv/Internet/cellular industry is a joke. I have an iPhone and I really like it - I hate Apple and the way they do things but the iPhone really is awesome. An iPad is probably a little more than I need so if falls off the awesome train. There is no competition on the iPhone platform in the US - I guess if you really feel strongly enough you can get a different phone.
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