Gun cap - ##+1, do you FULLY load your weapon

[masraum]

Semi-auto guns are pretty much always marketed as ##+1 for the ability to put one in the chamber, and then insert a full mag. With a 1911, I can see doing that, but with some of the modern high-cap guns, do we really need/want to?

Most 1911s are 7 or 8+1, I think, right? So with a 1911 and 2 extra mags, you'll have 22 rounds. My only gun right now is a 9mm XDM, the mag holds 19 rounds. If I carried 19+1 plus 2 more mags, I'd be carrying more than your average box of ammo, 58 rounds. So, for you folks that carry something that holds 13 or more rounds in the mag, do you carry 13+1? Also, do you carry 2 extra mags?

Just curious what some of your thoughts are.

I also posted this on a site that is specifically for Texas CCW talk to see what their thoughts were, the link is below in case anyone is curious.
TexasCHLforum.com • View topic - Gun cap - ##+1, do you FULLY load your weapon

So, 2 questions

1 Do you carry ##+1

2 If your gun is high cap, do you carry 3 mags (that could mean 40-60 rounds or more of ammo)

[Rot 911]

I have never heard anyone say "damn I have too much ammo." Carry what you feel comfortable with. Weight definitely becomes a deciding factor when carrying on a daily basis.

[legion]

Nope. With the G17, I have 17 in the mag. With the G26, I have 12 in the mag.

[pwd72s]

Interesting reading there...thanks.

[GH85Carrera]

Wow, do you really expect to get into a long gun battle? Unless you are a cop or stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan what possible reason can you think of that you might need or want 58 rounds?

I am just wondering.

[MotoSook]

I can't carry in my home state, but you have to ask yourself...if you are carrying, why wouldn't you want one in the chamber and a full mag?

Extra mags while carrying...personal preference. A CZ-75 SP-01 Phantom has 18 or 19 cap mags (varies from mag to mag) plus one in the chamber....20 rds is a lot!

[masraum]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Wow, do you really expect to get into a long gun battle? Unless you are a cop or stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan what possible reason can you think of that you might need or want 58 rounds?

I am just wondering.

Actually, that's my point. I don't expect to ever need that many rounds. Carrying 58 rounds sounds like it could be a pain. The biggest issue that I can see is needing at least 1 extra mag just in case the mag in the gun has some sort of issue. I can't imagine needing that many bullets, but I can see a point to having at least 2 mags total. There are no mags for my gun that hold fewer than 19 rounds unless I just don't load them fully. Of course, it seems silly to have them half loaded too.

[Gogar]

I've seen that movie gun battle where one guy has the other guy in a corner and his gun goes "click." I don't want to be that guy. So, +1.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Gogar

I've seen that movie gun battle where one guy has the other guy in a corner and his gun goes "click." I don't want to be that guy. So, +1.

Is that one of the movies were the good guy can out run the spray of bullets from a machine gun and the door on his car is bulletproof?

I hate to break it to ya, but that is not real or even realistic.

[MotoSook]

Lol...

Was watching the B movie "The Butcher" recently with Eric Robert's "The Butcher" carrying a couple of gold plated 1911's. He must have fired 20 rounds from each spoon before reloading. I guess the lession is, never stop to reload during a fight...just keep shooting even if you only have 8 in each.

I've seen that movie gun battle where one guy has the other guy in a corner and his gun goes "click." I don't want to be that guy. So, +1.

[Gogar]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I hate to break it to ya, but that is not real or even realistic.

THANKS, EINSTEIN.

j/k

[silverwhaletail]

I carry a G27 off duty and NEVER carry with a round in the chamber. I only carry the gun with the mag that is in the gun, on my person. I keep one extra mag (extended cap) in each of my vehicles.

I prefer the built in safety factor of knowing that there is never a round in the chamber. (however, EVERY GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED/SAFE MUZZLE DIRECTION AT ALL TIMES/FINGER OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNLESS TARGET IS TO BE DESTROYED)

If the gun is ever used in anger it will be as a means to escape, not to engage and prevail.

[masraum]

I carry a G27 off duty and NEVER carry with a round in the chamber.

Huh, that's surprising. You're in the minority.

If sniper were here, he'd say you were afraid of Glock-leg.

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

I carry a G27 off duty and NEVER carry with a round in the chamber. I only carry the gun with the mag that is in the gun, on my person. I keep one extra mag (extended cap) in each of my vehicles.

I prefer the built in safety factor of knowing that there is never a round in the chamber. (however, EVERY GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED/SAFE MUZZLE DIRECTION AT ALL TIMES/FINGER OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNLESS TARGET IS TO BE DESTROYED)

If the gun is ever used in anger it will be as a means to escape, not to engage and prevail.

Why even carry then? If you have time to chamber a round, you probably aren't in need of shooting and if you are in need of shooting you won't have the time to chamber.

[UconnTim97]

Now if I carry with one in the chamber, how am I supposed to make that cool racking the gun sound that scares all the bad guys???

[MRM]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

I carry a G27 off duty and NEVER carry with a round in the chamber. I only carry the gun with the mag that is in the gun, on my person. I keep one extra mag (extended cap) in each of my vehicles.

I prefer the built in safety factor of knowing that there is never a round in the chamber. (however, EVERY GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED/SAFE MUZZLE DIRECTION AT ALL TIMES/FINGER OFF OF THE TRIGGER UNLESS TARGET IS TO BE DESTROYED)

If the gun is ever used in anger it will be as a means to escape, not to engage and prevail.

I strongly agree with this. I see no reason to take any risk of accidental discharge. There's no reason to rely on the safety device built into the gun if you don't have to. The downside to having an empty chamber is a fraction of a second to work the slide. The risk of having an accidental discharge is much greater than the chances you'll need to fire your gun in anger and the downside of an accidental discharge is horrifying.

I am also a strong believer in carrying limited ammo. If you don't have the option of sraying your fire around, you'll be more careful with your shots. There were a lot fewer shootings in the old days when cops carried 6 shot revolvers. I understand the reasons why they now have high capacity 9 and 10 mm handguns, but the public was much safer when cops only had six shots. In my considered opinion, if you go through six shots and you still need more, you were tangling with something too big for you anyway.

Studies show that almost all handgun encounters happen at about 12 feet or less, and often within arms reach of the intended target. Even then, only a tiny percentage of shots actually hit the intended target. More is not better.

[MotoSook]

and often within arms reach of the intended target

Still have time to rack the slide?

And what of the revolvers? Empty wheel, just like an empty chamber?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by silverwhaletail

I carry a G27 off duty and NEVER carry with a round in the chamber.

If I carried a Glock, I'd seriously consider doing it this way. I'm assuming you have some kind of active retention holster for duty open carry and not so active retention for CCW.

But most of my carry guns are SIG's, where the first shot is always DA, so much less chance of anything catching that trigger and pulling hard enough to make it go bang. Glocks are different and I don't train with them anyway.

My SIG P226 has the SCT grips and mags that hold 15 or so rounds of .357SIG or .40. It gets heavy that way, but I'm with Kurt on this one. No one has ever had a problem with having too much ammo.

And besides, plenty of people have not been able to rack the slide back when they really needed a gun. I want the fewest possible steps between needing it and having it. Remember, ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.

[UconnTim97]

I have been told there are only two occasions that you would wish that you had less ammo:

1. You are swimming

2. You are on fire.

Carry on~

[ODDJOB UNO]

well if yer a LEO then i fer sure would ALWAYS carry (1) in the pipe.



since i am NOT a LEO , i do not carry (1) in the pipe. i dont want to be a cop, and i dont want anything to do with being a cop. i am always aware of my surroundings day or night anywhere i go, and i feel it is much safer.


plus the fact i have played with various spoons all my life of various models and sizes that any and all of them i can put into battery quicker than most can spit.



now.....................on the other side of the coin if i have to go to a bad section of town, yes then i will carry (1) in the pipe.



cops are OFFENSIVE!




WE ARE DEFENSIVE!



just this early am since it is snowy rainey out here, i took apart my carry walther ppk/s and tore it apart and cleaned all the lint off, tore slide off,tore spring off, tore grips off and gave it a rub down, lubed, emptied mag, refilled mag, put back together.

i usually do this about every 2 weeks for a carry weapon, no matter it being a revolver or semi.


i carry (1) extra mag or speedloader.



werks fer me.



another point to be made here. if yer gonna carry, you damn well better be practicing yer RACK/DRAW in front of a mirror(UNLOADED) to the point that it is 2nd nature come rain snow sleet or shine no matter if you are sitting in a car/truck/walking/sitting/ taking a crap.



i mean it seriously. you have to dress accordingly. these dumbazz in the shirt holsters, and in yer pants pocket aint gonna get it when needed. my walther and others (all) are in BIANCHI ACCUMOLD NYLON holsters. some with the forward leaning FBI cant. i hate leather due to heat here and when wet they stretch and then they are junk.


example: xmas shopping in a local mall, took smith j-frame .357 5 shot. took extra speedloader. nobody on the planet knew except lil ol me. if the POO went down inside or out in parking lot, 10 rds of .357 will deter just about everyone on the planet aside from kamikazes with IED's strapped to their chest which is preeety damn unlikely.



now if i had my pissant .380................could YOU tell it was a .380 or a .38 or a 9mm from the decibels going off (8) times and then a reload? would you STILL PRESS THE ATTACK???????