Gun cap - ##+1, do you FULLY load your weapon

[targa911S]

I carry my 1911 with one in the pipe and uncocked, a full magazine. My 1908 and 1903 Colts I carry with an empty camber as they are hammerless. If it is loaded, it is ready to fire. Although it has 3 safeties I have had an accidental discharge when the gun was dropped. My blood still runs cold when I think of that day. It could have been a very bad situation. I wear a shoulder holster always. Can't get to a belt holster in the car. Plus my arms are long so I have to lift up high to get to a weapon at my waist, a shoulder holster for me is a simple cross draw. If I stand with my arms folded I can hold the pistol easily.

[ODDJOB UNO]

Originally Posted by targa911S

I carry my 1911 with one in the pipe and uncocked, a full magazine. My 1908 and 1903 Colts I carry with an empty camber as they are hammerless. If it is loaded, it is ready to fire. Although it has 3 safeties I have had an accidental discharge when the gun was dropped. My blood still runs cold when I think of that day. It could have been a very bad situation. I wear a shoulder holster always. Can't get to a belt holster in the car. Plus my arms are long so I have to lift up high to get to a weapon at my waist, a shoulder holster for me is a simple cross draw. If I stand with my arms folded I can hold the pistol easily.

and that "kiddies" is WHY ya dont carry one in the pipe! cuz 99.99999999 of us aint cops and AD's really really REALLY SUCK !


and until us mere mortal humans grow octopuss suckers on our hands and can grasp objects(spoons) each and every time without dropping them, there will continue to be accidental discharges that could quite possibly KILL YOU or someone ELSE, when you are hell bent on carrying one in the pipe all the time.


cheese and rice 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of the time its going to be a situation YOU SEE HAPPENING not directed at yerself, and you have time to:


1) SEEK COVER-DUH!

2) pull spoon from concealed/rack round...................and then place in condition RED and AIM! which of course you have practiced over and over and over and over and OVER ,like myself and yer QUICKER THAN SNOT!


aka..................kweeks draw mcgraw!



because if you dont seek cover, bad guys are gonna take YOU the threat out first!


so thats why i dont carry a round in the pipe unless alone hunting by myself, or if i know i am going to a "bad" side of town.


i aint a cop. dont wanna be a cop. dont wanna play cop. because they have a really really suck azz job that they are not paid enough to do. and there are a lot of bad guys.




what you have to do is practice practice practice your INSTINCTIVE crouch, your INSTINCTICE draw from concealed, your INSTINCTIVE rack(the slide if its an auto), and INSTINCTIVE remove from safety(if so equipped) and INSTINCTIVE AIM, and INSTINCTIVE squeeze(not pull) the trigger.



obviously with a 5-6 shooter revolver you can delete the slide and safety part.



AND EVEN THEN I CARRY A REVOLVER on an EMPTY CHAMBER with a $100 dolla bill in there fer burying money if I GIT DRY-GULCHED!

[Rick Lee]

I'm not worried at all about an AD when dropping a chambered gun. In the very unlikely event it lands on the hammer, most modern handguns have a firing pin block that only releases when the trigger is pulled and no other way. I think Series 80 1911's were the first generation with something like this. But AFAIK, all SIG's and Glocks have them. I've detail stripped my SIG's and 1911's before and have seen up close how these work, so I feel good about them.

BTW, there was an AD that hit someone at Shooter's World in Phoenix a little over a year ago. An instructor was drawing (Glock) and his front sight got caught on his shirt when reholstering, which he didn't notice. When he drew again, the hung up shirt yanked the gun loose and he dropped it. But it only discharged because he foolishly tried to catch it and hit the trigger in doing so. He'd have been far better off letting it hit the floor.

[vash]

i dont store one in the tube. neither my Sig, and especially not my Glock. i suppose i could with the 226, hammer down position. that de-cocking lever is very clever. 1st shoot is double action, but no-biggie.

i am not familiar enough with the Glock. i'll keep it unchambered.

honestly, it wouldnt be too much of a delay to keep it locked slide back, completely unloaded. jack in a loaded mag, pull down on the release. go time!

[vash]

on a side note,,the 10 round mags for my Glock SUCK! you need herculean strength to get that last round in. it is more of a 9.5 mag. stupid california.

[ODDJOB UNO]

in my safes at home ALL are loaded, NONE IN THE PIPE!


hunting NO ONE comes into camp with a LOADED SPOON!


when leaving in morning, we decide if we are hunting alone or with someone. alone WE HAVE ONE IN THE PIPE! together , NOBODY RACKS A ROUND until sighting game.



no spoons loaded in vehicles except for those sitting shotgun-KING OF THE ROADHUNTERS! LOL! "OVER THERE-SEE "EM? SHOOT 'EM SHOOT'EM GIT OFF THE ROAD!" SHOOT'EM GAWD DAMNIT! ARE YA FREEKING BLIND? YOU FREEKING RETARD! LOL!


no spoons loaded on quads. it aint a law yet here, but it sure as hell should be like colorado. nothing better than some clown driving up next to you and the freeking barrel of a WIN MAG pointed at you!



and thats why i nor my amigos have NEVER HAD AN AD!



cuz AD's SUCK BIG GIANT DONKEY WEINERS!

[targa911S]

I should say that my 1911 is capable of a 1/4 cocked position. It was made in 1918. I carry with one in the pipe, at 1/4 cocked, safety on. The hammer does not rest on the firing pin that way and even if you do drop it it "should" not fire as the hammer does not have far enough to fall to light the primer.

[Schumi]

Originally Posted by Gogar

I've seen that movie gun battle where one guy has the other guy in a corner and his gun goes "click." I don't want to be that guy. So, +1.

What I find funny is the number of you who seem to think you are in a movie...

[targa911S]

[masraum]

Interesting stuff here guys.

[fred cook]

When I carry a handgun (yes, I have a concealed weapon permit) I usuallyleave the chamber of a semi-auto empty figuring it is easy and quick to work the slide to chamber a round (see exception below). However, if I'm carrying a revolver it is with a full load (5 or 6 rounds). So really, what is the difference between a fully loaded double action revolver and a DAO or DAO/SA pistol? With most of the new DAO/SA guns you can load the chamber and then use the decocker to safely drop the hammer. I even have one (FNP-357 Sig) that has the decocker that is also a safety. With this system, if the bad guy gets the gun and it is on "safe", it might give you enough time to reclaim the gun or at least get out of the line of fire. And, since you the owner have practiced often with the DAO/SA pistol (you do practice, don't you?), it is second nature to swipe the safety off while drawing. Common sense and training go hand in hand to make the weapon your advantage, not someone else's. IMHO.

[jyl]

The Glock by my bed has 1 in the chamber. The DAO revolver in my pocket has 1 under the hammer.

[dhoward]

Glock-o-phobia give me the ell-oh-ellz.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by dhoward

Glock-o-phobia give me the ell-oh-ellz.

What we need here is Sniper!

[Rick Lee]

I have no problem at all with Glocks. Not my cup of tea for carry duty. I'll be buying one in the next few mos. for sure though.

[masraum]

Hmm Glock = Camaro/Mustang --> plentiful, cheap, get the job done, generally run regardless what you do to them, everybody's got one, easy to hotrod...

[HHI944]

I always carry with one in the chamber though I switch up between DA with the safety off and SA with the safety engaged. I don't always carry my spare magazines (2x8), but they're always nearby.

OJU, I'm not sure from where your reverence for LE is derived, but it is misplaced. While some take it upon themselves to become incredibly well-trained and professional, the standards placed upon them by their departments tend to be fairly low. I've met plenty whom are absolutely mystified by a weapon with anything more than a trigger. Add in a decocking lever, heel-mag catch and a safety and they're clueless. I let ONE use my P9S at a range. He dropped the hammer on the safety twice, in quick succession, and that was the end. On the other hand, I know some cops that could shoot the nuts off a nat at 20yds with an unzeroed weapon and know the law better than most attorneys. It just seems that I come into contact with far more of the incompetent imbecil variety.

Targa, who is the maker of that shoulder holster? Do they make one that'll fit a P9S? I also have slightly longer arms and as a result don't find a strong side draw comfortable. Currently, I carry SOB, but I'm looking for a shoulder holster.

[masraum]

Interesting article.

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[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by Schumi

What I find funny is the number of you who seem to think you are in a movie...

No kidding....

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Normally not chambered. On rare occasion I'll keep my "grab and go" gun chambered but as normal practice I don't.

It doesn't take that long to rack-n-roll and there's very little I can do with 18 rounds that I can't do with 17 (Glock 17).