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I don't think we can really tell who is going to kill, at least not using any method that is practical in a nation of 300MM people.
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This was released by DHS. Investigative reporters have already checked the membership lists of that group and he isn't part of it. He was a left wing, anachist, crazy nutjob. His parents should have had him commited.
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well lets look at the wonderful country called.....................MESSIKO(mexico) and their UBER STRICT gun laws.
sure as hell doesnt appear to be working there. hmmmm................33 people MUR-DURRED(red-rummed) in the PAST FEEKING 4 DAYS in acapulco alone!
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No, no, no! He had a well worn copy of Mein Kampf. He must be a right wing, Nazi, crazy nutjob.
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OK guys, this pretty much answers the question on why he is a nut, and as a few others and I speculated, there was a reason he was a loner..
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Many people are not surprised that this happened and some even seem to figure that it is something we have to accept as an expected random abnormality in a society. Thats what perhaps scares me the most.
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Expected random abnormality, perhaps. But the issue here that many are concerned about is the vitriolic rhetoric that has come to permeate our culture, and the effect that it might have in triggering those mentally unbalanced among us into commiting acts of violence. All things being equal, we might not have, by virtue of our numbers, a higher percentage of mentally ill people than you do - I don't know. I do know that, to me, the vitriolic rhetoric is very disturbing and counterproductive to our moving ahead.
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I really don't think our time is any more violent than any that preceded it. Actually, I believe we are living in far less violent times than at any point in human history. I think such incidents of violence are reported much more widely, much more rapidly than at any time in the past, which gives the illusion (to some) that we are living in more violent times than we really are.
One aspect of this shooting that has not been discussed is that of personal responsibility for one's own safety and well-being. And that of one's family. The pure randomness of this act underscores the fact that these events are, well, completely random. That, and I'll wager that mere seconds passed between the first shot and the last. Hardly time to pull out a cell phone and dial 911, much less explain to the operator (assuming one actually gets through right away) what is happening. There were clearly no police officers close enough to do anything, even at an organized event such as this. You all know where I'm going with this. While nothing in life is certain, I'll just put this out there: If a guy like Rick Lee, or myself, had been standing right there, this clown may not have gotten even his second shot off. Unless I was unlucky enough to be the first one hit, I'm relatively certain I could have had some positive impact upon the outcome of that day. Problem is, these psychotics can operate with relatively low risk. Even in an open carry state, with a very high number of gun owners, the chances of having a legally armed citizen on hand are minimal. Things could have ended very differently if there were only one...
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the worst case scenario ALMOST occurred with a AZCCW guy coming out of walgrens and saw man with a gun. the man with the gun had just taken the gun from bad guy.
scarey scarey scarey nano seconds to make decision to shoot or not for CCW guy. could of should of would have, is evident right here. and all WE CAN DO is LEARN from this situation as CCW holders if the situation arises. and how to handle it and make correct ABSOLUTE DECISION ON WHO THE BAD GUY IS OR ISNT! this scenario has bounced thru my head countless times wayyyyyyyyyyy before this happened saturday. and its something that really does boggle the mind. it is not trench warfare, it is not cowboys and indians, its not grey uniforms vs green uniforms. it is NOT an OBVIOUS ENEMY until your brain can fathom who is good and who is bad. the WSJ published the account of the AZCCW holder and what was going thru his mind at the moment this happened. not any different from afghan or iraq or vietnam. bad guys dont wear BAD GUY NEON SIGN ON FOREHEAD!
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[QUOTE=Jeff Higgins;5777463]I really don't think our time is any more violent than any that preceded it. Actually, I believe we are living in far less violent times than at any point in human history. I think such incidents of violence are reported much more widely, much more rapidly than at any time in the past, which gives the illusion (to some) that we are living in more violent times than we really are.[quote]
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Sweden is not any better these days. Ministers killed while shopping, suicide bombers in the busy streets - despite very restrictive gun laws. Maybe we should rewind to the 60īs and smoke a peace pipe, grow long hair and just fluff around a little.
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Our currently "divisive nature of politics" had absolutely nothing to do with this random event. All indications are that this guy had some deeply held resentment stemming from a past encounter with this woman, that he was psychotic. There is no indication whatsoever that he was driven by any of today's political rhetoric. All of that was simply the left-leaning media pundits first cut on what they think happened, what they think motivated him. They were all giddy at the prospect of having a right-wing whack job influenced by a right-wing luminary to do something so heinous and despicable. Turns out if he had any leanings at all, they were canted more left than right. They were wrong. So, what do our media pundits do when they are wrong? Why, they repeat the story until it soaks into the public consciousness and becomes "right". We've seen it time and time again.
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To me, one of the most disturbing aspects of this story is that nobody shot the assassin in the head. If random gunslingers were routinely stopped by a round from an armed civilian, then they might find some other way to express themselves. ......and I'm a flaming liberal. Go figure.
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oh jeff........................YOU should LIVE HERE and listen to the NON STOP media go at this.
our cast of lokal characters: tucson sheriff and his ideas. shurf joe pinal county shurf babeau and his ideas all the lokal crime shrinks ch 3 abc ch 5 CBS ch 10 fox ch 12 nbc the lokal underground rag the phx new times all the witness's all of the governors office the federal courts any and all politcos from near and far republican democrat every doctor on duty at u/a med center every nurse on duty at u/a med center the neighbors of the bad guy the classmates of the bad guy the teachers at pima community college of the bad guy and im sure by now any and all illegal migrants,stray dawgs, transients and anybody else that was breathing air in the southwest has or WILL BE INTERVIEWED.............3-TIMES! it IS a MEDIA CIRCUS! and LOTS of WRONG INFO being printed or stated.
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