New MacBook Pros have 10Gbit I/O

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Since 2008, in fact. I think Island's source of computer information is something less than "fair and balanced."

LOL

I just can't believe nobody else had already trademarked "Thunderbolt".

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I never use USB for my external HDs - always FW800. The drive manufacturers will support this soon enough.

On occasion I need to pick up a drive in a hurry.

I'll be in a local Big Box making a choice when the sales guy will come over to try to "help".

"This one's good"

Yeah but no Firewire support.

"It's got USB 2"

I want Firewire!

"USB2 is faster than Firewire."

On paper maybe.

""

Firewire is peer to peer so the devices can negotiate bus control between themselves for maximum data flow control. USB is a slave protocol, it's processor dependent so any paper performance advantage is lost. In reality it's slower.

And you can't daisy chain USB, I can hang 17 firewire devices off one port.

"Oh, I see"

Run along now.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

LOL

I just can't believe nobody else had already trademarked "Thunderbolt".

I had a Thunderbolt phone demoed to me by Verizon at CES last month. Looked great. It was some flavor of Android, I think. The code name for the tech was Light Peak, but I'm sure Intel cleared Thunderbolt before committing to the name.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

On occasion I need to pick up a drive in a hurry.

I'll be in a local Big Box making a choice when the sales guy will come over to try to "help".

"This one's good"

Yeah but no Firewire support.

"It's got USB 2"

I want Firewire!

"USB2 is faster than Firewire."

On paper maybe.

""

Firewire is peer to peer so the devices can negotiate bus control between themselves for maximum data flow control. USB is a slave protocol, it's processor dependent so any paper performance advantage is lost. In reality it's slower.

And you can't daisy chain USB, I can hang 17 firewire devices off one port.

"Oh, I see"

Run along now.

Firewire will be dead shortly. Most new mainboards are now shipping without it and MS's new OS will have firewire support removed in favor of eSATA and USB 3. We had a roadmap presentation from Intel in September and they were dropping it off the map end of this year for their mainboards, they are one of the last holdouts. It's going to be lonely on firewire island.

Maximum PC | What Does the Future Hold for Firewire?

[red-beard]

All the boards I bought last year support eSata and USB 3.0

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Firewire will be dead shortly. Most new mainboards are now shipping without it and MS's new OS will have firewire support removed in favor of eSATA and USB 3. We had a roadmap presentation from Intel in September and they were dropping it off the map end of this year for their mainboards, they are one of the last holdouts. It's going to be lonely on firewire island.

Maximum PC | What Does the Future Hold for Firewire?

Makes me no nevermind, I always have several generations of hardware deployed that cover my bases.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Firewire will be dead shortly. Most new mainboards are now shipping without it and MS's new OS will have firewire support removed in favor of eSATA and USB 3. We had a roadmap presentation from Intel in September and they were dropping it off the map end of this year for their mainboards, they are one of the last holdouts. It's going to be lonely on firewire island.

Maximum PC | What Does the Future Hold for Firewire?

If you look at places that create content FW isn't dead yet. There is a world outside of IT geekery where people actually use computers to do/make stuff.

[RWebb]

how does the thru-put on Thumperbolt compare with that of the bus ??

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Yea, like Token ring.

Haven't heard that in years! LOL

[island911]

Originally Posted by techweenie

Since 2008, in fact. I think Island's source of computer information is something less than "fair and balanced."

Ha! Yeah, I was razz'n ya.

We may now return to your "fair and balanced" / unbiased reporting of the computer industry.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Scott R

Yea, like Token ring.

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

Haven't heard that in years! LOL

How about Arcnet?

[Porsche-O-Phile]

If you have to daisy-chain 17 devices then you eiher:

1. Have too much crap -or-
2. Should have gotten a computer with more built-in capability (the thought of dealing with 17 hot-running, made-in-China power supplies and the fire hazard thus creates makes me cringe - even if they get power through the Thunderbolt, that's still potentially a LOT of draw...).

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

If you have to daisy-chain 17 devices then you eiher:

1. Have too much crap -or-
2. Should have gotten a computer with more built-in capability (the thought of dealing with 17 hot-running, made-in-China power supplies and the fire hazard thus creates makes me cringe - even if they get power through the Thunderbolt, that's still potentially a LOT of draw...).

Don't have to chain 17 but can if I want/need to.

I carry four 2.5 laptop drives in external cases which gives me 1TB+ of additional storage.

In my line of work 1TB goes away real fast.

I can power them all off a single firewire port, no external power required.

I can add cameras into the mix to pull footage.

Target Disc Mode is a big beni. You can reboot a machine in TDM, hook it up to another computer via Firewire and the guest HD becomes mountable on the host.

[techweenie]

Yeah, who needs a car that can do 150, when most days it's hard to top 85 on the urban freeways?



Here's an initial test result on the new MBPs:

MacBook Pro Benchmarks (Early 2011)

Impressive, with or without Thunderbolt.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

If you have to daisy-chain 17 devices then you eiher:

1. Have too much crap -or-
2. Should have gotten a computer with more built-in capability (the thought of dealing with 17 hot-running, made-in-China power supplies and the fire hazard thus creates makes me cringe - even if they get power through the Thunderbolt, that's still potentially a LOT of draw...).

Right now looking around my office I see:

2 1TB Raid1 drives
5 1TB drives
4 500GB portable drives

I have used each of them over the past two weeks. Some are project media archives, some are working drives, others are transport drives. I have a FW800 hub so I can run 7 at a time if I want. With the new architecture you can also be running displays as well.

Just because you don't use/need multiple TB of storage doesn't mean that some of us do. I can't even fit the media for one of my projects on a single TB drive.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Right now looking around my office I see:

2 1TB Raid1 drives
5 1TB drives
4 500GB portable drives

I have used each of them over the past two weeks. Some are project media archives, some are working drives, others are transport drives. I have a FW800 hub so I can run 7 at a time if I want. With the new architecture you can also be running displays as well.

Just because you don't use/need multiple TB of storage doesn't mean that some of us do. I can't even fit the media for one of my projects on a single TB drive.

NAS would be a much better solution for that.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Scott R

NAS would be a much better solution for that.

For some of us NAS is only good for archival of projects when they are complete.

Way too slow to be of any use during actual production.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

For some of us NAS is only good for archival of projects when they are complete.

Way too slow to be of any use during actual production.

FW is only 800 mb/sec, NAS could be 10GB or 1GB possibly depending on how you do it. The controller inside the device is going to use advanced caching levels not avialble in your external drivers. It's pretty much all around going to be faster, more reliable and easier to manage.

If I can push 50k transactions every 5 mins to one you can render a video to it easily. We're dropping about 70k IOPS on a NAS over a 1GB connection 110k on 10gb, you couldn't generate that much on a PC. (well maybe if you daisy chained 50 pc's together)

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by RWebb

how does the thru-put on Thumperbolt compare with that of the bus ??

I ask b/c if it is fast enuff all the GPU functions can move into the monitor...

[techweenie]

Not sure about Thumperbolt..

;-)

But Thunderbolt should be able to offload video processing to a monitor -- a useful thing for a laptop. Hell, maybe I could hit 60 fps playing SCII at maxed out settings!