TDI left on a rollback

[speeder]

Quote de speeder

You can buy the whole car for less than that. 2001 Jetta? Think so.

Did you not bother to look at the photo of the Jetta on the rollback? It's a 2012 +/-

I can barely make out a white vehicle in that distant cell phone picture. Going by his sig line.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Rot 911

BMW has a similar problem with their HPFP's to the point that they have now extended the warranty period on them. Fortunately all that happens when they go out is the car stops. Unfortunately, they go out often.

Unfortunately, an extended warranty doesn't change the fact that your expensive new car could strand you multiple times. A local BMWCCA member had his go out three times on his 335i, enough so that he simply got rid of the car because he was tired of being stranded.

[Macroni]

Originally Posted by peppy

Maybe I am overreacting, the dealership has not had a chance to look at the car yet.

86,000 on mine..... 3 sets of tires, one set of back brakes.... excellent car IMO.... let VW service have a crack at it....

[Deschodt]

I have a Golf Tdi commuter, same year as your Jetta, it bothers me too.... some have had to fight the dealer hard to get this done, because they are quick to blame the diesel fuel quality and point finger to the gas stations... I've been keeping my receipts (all at the same station) just in case... This is the IMS/RMS of the VW world ;-)

[KNS]

Originally Posted by Deschodt

I have a Golf Tdi commuter, same year as your Jetta, it bothers me too.... some have had to fight the dealer hard to get this done, because they are quick to blame the diesel fuel quality and point finger to the gas stations... I've been keeping my receipts (all at the same station) just in case... This is the IMS/RMS of the VW world ;-)

Horseschit! If that is the case (lame excuse) then VW needs to build cars that will run on the fuel that is sold in this country. Do they want to increase their sales here or not?

[ZOO]

Slightly off topic but I am curious about the etymology of the tow vehicle. Here in Ontario (and maybe the rest of Canada) that's a "float" truck. Is "rollback" a regionalism? Or is "float"?

[Rot 911]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Unfortunately, an extended warranty doesn't change the fact that your expensive new car could strand you multiple times. A local BMWCCA member had his go out three times on his 335i, enough so that he simply got rid of the car because he was tired of being stranded.

I hope you don't think I was defending them, I certainly am not.

[speeder]

Slightly off topic but I am curious about the etymology of the tow vehicle. Here in Ontario (and maybe the rest of Canada) that's a "float" truck. Is "rollback" a regionalism? Or is "float"?

That's a flatbed tow truck in SoCal.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Rot 911

I hope you don't think I was defending them, I certainly am not.

Nope, sorry if it came across that way. Just another data point to reinforce your post.

[biosurfer1]

I was this close >< to buying a 335i but thankfully I did not. The HPFP problem was just starting to show its ugly face and of course BMW was saying it was just a bad lot and not really an issue at all. That was multiple modified part numbers, a recall and an extended warranty ago:/

I know its expensive to admit a problem (ask Toyota, Tacoma frames) but when you are seeing steadily increasing numbers of failing products, do they really think "deny everything and hope it goes away" is the best road??

[pavulon]

As an '09 TDI owner, what do I need to do to prevent this HPFP failure from happening?

[Robert Adams]

Gezz, I'm really disappointed to hear this and sorry your wife got stranded. Never a pleasant or convenient experience. Personally, I was finally narrowing the field to replace our 13 year old XC70 and now this. I thought having to shell out $3000 to fix a fuel pump solenoid on the XC was bad, I guess think again. Didn't spend that crazy money because thankfully it would start, just go through batteries more frequently and at least it doesn't just stop, although I keep waiting for the started to burn out (now 7 or 8 years since I first had the problem). Thing about a diesel is the supposed longevity of the engine, means I would hold onto to the car way past its warranty extended or not. I had a Rabbit & Dasher diesel followed by a Volvo turbo diesel (block made by Audi) and they were terrific if not a bit under powered, but great MPG and they all lasted well over 250k miles with very few issues. Simpler times I guess. As it stands now after hearing about this issue, the only way I would even consider buying a VW TDI is if it had a lifetime warranty. Maybe I'll wait for the Mazda 6 diesel? Any known issues with them? These manufacturers had better start fixing these issues in real time rather than waiting until the next model redesign or blaming the next guy. With a over populated auto market we as consumers have a wider range of offerings than ever before. I guess they'll get the point when sales dry up. I already nixed the Ford Focus because of their trans issues. Maybe not a $10k fix, but depends on how many times you would need to replace it? Had considered a BMW too, so guess not now. Maybe I'll just go back to buying a decent used car with less computer capabilities and fewer know problems. Not sure what that would be, but there has to be something out there better than having to fix a $10k fuel pump.

[aigel]

I believe this fuel pump issue is covered under the 60k mi. power train warranty?

Just curious. My plan on my TDI is to part way at 5 years / 60k mi.

G

[Laneco]

Originally Posted by ZOOMiata

Slightly off topic but I am curious about the etymology of the tow vehicle. Here in Ontario (and maybe the rest of Canada) that's a "float" truck. Is "rollback" a regionalism? Or is "float"?

Float is regional. Rollback is pretty common term in the US and picks up any type of truck that rolls cargo on/off from the rear with a tilt-function. Be that a tow truck, where the bed rolls back/down, and the car is pulled on, or something like a trash bin truck where the bin is a big box that is moved by rolling on/off the truck.

In this country, when you hear the term "float" for a truck, it's usually associated with a flatbed and more commonly heard in the south than other areas. By flatbed, I mean the type with a fixed bed, where you would back up to a loading dock or forklift the materials on/off. Not a commonly used term in the US.

angela

[Laneco]

Originally Posted by peppy

What Fred said.

From what I have read it is a $7000 to $10,000 repair.

This is absolutely horrifying to me...

Seriously, this is horrifying like naked clowns with chainsaws.

angela

[pavulon]

interesting reading here:

dweisel's HPFP Analogy of a Failure - VW TDI forum and Audi TDI forum - myturbodiesel.com

Cliff notes:
design flaws and/or bad fuel lead to HPFP piston bore scoring (lubrication issue) and aluminum shower for the system also making the cam/cam follower falsely appear to have been the start of the issue.


Will try to find more.

[Noney]

Originally Posted by aigel

I believe this fuel pump issue is covered under the 60k mi. power train warranty?

G

I would double-check this. I was over on the TDI forum reading up on this HPFP issue and some of the owners were stating that the fuel system is NOT covered by their 5/60 warranty, but falls under a separate 3/36 warranty. The 5/60 appears to be very specific and the fuel system is not mentioned.

[enzo1]

Originally Posted by Noney

I would double-check this. I was over on the TDI forum reading up on this HPFP issue and some of the owners were stating that the fuel system is NOT covered by their 5/60 warranty, but falls under a separate 3/36 warranty. The 5/60 appears to be very specific and the fuel system is not mentioned.

Uh.Oh ....not good

[peppy]

No word from the dealership today. Maybe they will look at the car tomorrow.
The car is a 2011 with 34000 miles.

[HardDrive]

I swore off VW long ago. 2 trips to the stealership in 2 months, $800+ each trip, I was done.