TDI left on a rollback

[Adam]

Tough break - but give them the benefit of repairing it. Could be something less sinister.

As for HPFP issues, they happen to the 2.0 gas cars too? As in the GTI?

[James Brown]

sell it and get that big dodge cummins diesel (a TDI)

[bell]

Originally Posted by Adam Chaplin

Tough break - but give them the benefit of repairing it. Could be something less sinister.

As for HPFP issues, they happen to the 2.0 gas cars too? As in the GTI?

Yes......pay an independent to pull the hpfp and inspect the follower, if you catch it before it wears through you're golden, the upgraded follower uses a different material.

there was a tsb on the matter, and they were covering them under warranty.....but.......vw didn't issue an actual recall where you would be notified.

I have also seen where the disintegrated follower got into the timing chain and broke it......
Either way if you have a 2.0 turbo vw this is a very important thing to have checked out before it fails.....

[speeder]

Originally Posted by bell

Yes......pay an independent to pull the hpfp and inspect the follower, if you catch it before it wears through you're golden, the upgraded follower uses a different material.

Would this apply to the diesels as well?

[porsche4life]

Originally Posted by James Brown

sell it and get that big dodge cummins diesel (a TDI)

Their high pressure pumps aren't great, they have issues with their turbos and exhaust gas systems too.... I know of several new trucks that needed a new turbo or injectors or both before 10k...

[bell]

Originally Posted by speeder

Would this apply to the diesels as well?

I'm not familiar enough with the diesels to say yes or no......

[Adam]

Thanks, Bell - we have two 2.0 (petrol) Turbo VWs in our house (my girl drives a Tiguan 6spd), so this might be worthwhile. Both are under 10k miles, though.

[Edit] Sorry for the hijack, hope the dealer has good news, peppy!

[bell]

There was a year where they all came with the updated follower.....I believe it's 05 but don't quote me.....I'll have to do some searching, there are a few very informative thread on vw vortex about it all....

[rrental]

Thanks for sharing this! We have a 2010 TDI wagon and it has been great to us. Will go to dealer tomorrow and get more info and tell him this is a know
n/documented problem and we will not pay if it happens to us.....

I did not see any from Canada on the TDI forum, is your diesel maybe of a different quality? Does anyone know if this is taken care of on the 2012-13 models?

[aigel]

I am definitely going to study my warranty document and will also inquire at the stealership at the next service.

How about the DIY on a fuel pump / fuel system replacement? Is it so expensive because of labor or parts or both?

It is concerning that there are 200 documented cases of failure on just that one forum. All of them couldn't have pumped gasoline. (Maybe the repeat failures!? ) If only 10% report on that forum, that means 2000 cars would be affected in North America. What are the sales numbers?

VW sales up 22.4%, best October since 1972

Looks like VW may sell about 300k cars a year. If 1/3 of them are TDI, that's 100k / year. 300k total. This means we are dealing with about a one percent (or on that order) of failure. It could be a lot more, as we do not know how many people would report on that fourm. Not super-alarming, but with the large $$$ at stake it isn't comforting either. Also consider the few miles accumulated as many of these cars are <3 years old.

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[peppy]

Called the dealership this AM. They have not figured it out yet. They have the VW area representative there today. They did tell me they are unable to get the car to start and will let me know later today.

[bell]

It is expensive only after it fails as you need to replace the cam//chain/all associated components, the follower itself is pretty cheap.....at least on the gas engines.
The biggest danger is properly bleeding off the pressure of the hpfp, it'll cut fingers off if not done properly....either above 3000 lbs of pressure......

[peppy]

I think you left a 0 off the pressure. The VW HPFP work at over 25,000 psi.

[Deschodt]

I'm kind of annoyed at this.. I didn't do my research. 6 months ago I traded in a Cayman S (2 kids, no choice) and was going to get a 4 door GTI. Spur of the moment thing, I test drove a Golf TDi at the dealer, and figured that it was smarter to go diesel given my long commute... And apparently I traded a potential RMS/IMS engine explosion for a potential HPFP full fuel system redo ;-(

Actually it won't matter, I'm gonna trade the car in soon (8000 miles only). I thought I could live with a diesel, and was temporarily impressed with the MPG and torque, but long term, I love driving too much and the car is too dull to drive. It's the most reasonable car I ever bought but I'm starting to hate it, it' s a nose heavy understeering pig - with great torque ! ;-(

[peppy]

The dealership called and the car is running fine, they find no fault codes and are unable to reproduce the symptoms. I guess I misunderstood the service manager when he said it would not start.

It was probably nothing, just my wife's imagination.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by peppy

The dealership called and the car is running fine, they find no fault codes and are unable to reproduce the symptoms. I guess I misunderstood the service manager when he said it would not start.

It was probably nothing, just my wife's imagination.

No, it probably wouldn't start earlier, and now that it does he doesn't want to mess with it. I hate dealerships......

[JavaBrewer]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

No, it probably wouldn't start earlier, and now that it does he doesn't want to mess with it. I hate dealerships......

^this

[81Kremer930]

Originally Posted by peppy

The dealership called and the car is running fine, they find no fault codes and are unable to reproduce the symptoms. I guess I misunderstood the service manager when he said it would not start.

It was probably nothing, just my wife's imagination.

Huh... How much warranty is left on this car? I'd most definitely unload before your warranty is expired. Sounds like a real headache.

$7-$10K for repair seems extreme as well. We replaced a HPFP on a 6.4L Powerstroke diesel pickup for $7K and the body had to be lifted off the truck! Is this the same case with these cars?

[peppy]

I think my wife is going to get rid of this thing. It really sucks because it gets about 45mpg.

[aigel]

From my 2011 warranty booklet. Powertrain warranty:

Engine:
Cylinder block and all internal parts, cylinder head and all internal parts, valve train, spur belt, flywheel, oil pump, water pump, manifolds, all related seals and gaskets.

Soooo - is the fuel pump an internal part of the cylinder head? Don't think so. And look at all the other pumps mentioned, even the water pump ... no FUEL pump mentioned.

The way I am reading the warranty, unless the fuel pump is buried in the cylinder head internally, we are SOL on the powertrain (60k) warrantly covering a fuel pump implosion.

Where is the pump?

G