TDI left on a rollback

[peppy]

My confidence in the TDI has been shaken. I have read the horror stories of the HPFP and have convinced myself that is the problem. The car is still under warranty so we should get it fixed, but should I unload it?

The car started yesterday and shook violently then cut off. After repeated attempts it started again and cut off. Wife decided to leave it and drive something else. Called VW and they sent a rollback for it this AM.

I am pretty sure we will be in the market for something else.

[Z-man]

Would help if you could explain what HPFP stands for, unless I'm the only one who has never heard that acronym before...

(Hey - I just figured out what LOL stands for... )

-Z

[fastfredracing]

High pressure fuel pump

[peppy]

What Fred said.

From what I have read it is a $7000 to $10,000 repair.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by peppy

What Fred said.

From what I have read it is a $7000 to $10,000 repair.

WOW. 10K for a fuel pump repair. Run Forest Run. Get it fixed under warranty and dump it.

[FLYGEEZER]

Your post is timely & scary. I'm starting to look for a car to replace the Mercedes wagon. It's getting long in the tooth. A Jetta TDI wagon is where I keep looking. Ont of the guys in the local PCA bought one last fall (almost new) & has not had any issues, yet! But 10K for a HPFP !!!!! WTF??

[peppy]

From what I have read the Pump destroys the entire fuel system and everything must be replaced, including cleaning the tank.

[speeder]

Dump it, man. I'll offer $3k.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by peppy

What Fred said.

From what I have read it is a $7000 to $10,000 repair.

You can buy the whole car for less than that. 2001 Jetta? Think so.

[fastfredracing]

I have been a long time German car nut, but slowly , and surely, I am turning back because of stuff like this. We used to buy german cars, because they were built like tanks, usually drove better, stopped, handled better, and usually looked far better than the american/japaneese stuff. And although they did cost more to service, they usually would go the long haul if maintained properly, Now , all it takes is a one component failure, and the cost to repair is more than ,or close to equal the cars value. I just spent the morning on the phone explaining a guys options when his trans went out on his XC 90. And I could tell he was frustrated, and upset. His expensive Volvo, which he has maintained to the hilt, is now basically worth the price of scrap.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by speeder

You can buy the whole car for less than that. 2001 Jetta? Think so.

Did you not bother to look at the photo of the Jetta on the rollback? It's a 2012 +/-

[peppy]

Yes it is the newer Jetta with the 2.0 TDI. I wonder if the Audi or BMW diesels are better. The Audi is supposed to be the same engine.

Maybe I am overreacting, the dealership has not had a chance to look at the car yet.

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by kaisen

Did you not bother to look at the photo of the Jetta on the rollback? It's a 2012 +/-

Denis probably looked at Peppy's sig (2001 Jetta TDI). I know I did, too, at first.

[Rot 911]

BMW has a similar problem with their HPFP's to the point that they have now extended the warranty period on them. Fortunately all that happens when they go out is the car stops. Unfortunately, they go out often.

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by Rot 911

BMW has a similar problem with their HPFP's to the point that they have now extended the warranty period on them. Fortunately all that happens when they go out is the car stops. Unfortunately, they go out often.

BMW it happens with both gas and diesel

VW it happens with both gas and diesels

And it happens often

Here's 11 pages of first-hand documented failures on the 2009-2011 TDIs:
Offical list of HPFP Failures - TDIClub Forums

[peppy]

Eric that is what I have been reading and it scares the crap out of me, and I love diesels.

I guess we will be going to a gas engine car.

[GothingNC]

Thread on the TDI forum about it

FAQ-HPFP failures

CR High Pressure Fuel Pump "HPFP" failure FAQ - Updated 2/8/2011 - TDIClub Forums

[bell]

Big issue with the gas 2.0 is the cam follower for the hpfp wears out and then it eats into the cam......
Big dollar repair.....yes I have done quite a few of them.......

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by bell

Big issue with the gas 2.0 is the cam follower for the hpfp wears out and then it eats into the cam......
Big dollar repair.....yes I have done quite a few of them.......

That's essentially what is happening with the TDI pump, except it's a roller follower and it's lubricated with the diesel fuel itself.

[speeder]

Hard to believe that they cannot remedy this. Sounds like a fairly minor engineering challenge. It's not 1898.