Hey kaisen have a question for you

[look 171]

I have looked for 2010s and all of them are about 28-30k with more miles. I want a 4WD. Milage to me isn't a big concern for me with these cars. I like the 60-70k ones because the value drops like a stone. The older ones are a little small for us. Any thoughts?

[kaisen]

Again, if you've decided you're buying a three year old 4Runner Limited, and the one with 26K miles is a 4WD for $31K, you can't go wrong. That's a good deal.

[look 171]

Thanks again for your advice.

[gprsh924]

Interesting to know the premiums on 4Runners haven't gone away.

In 2005 we were shopping for an SUV that would be my winter car and eventually my sister's dd. I really wanted to get a 4Runner. We found one we liked, 2001 with 65k miles, selling for $19.5k. It was above the budget so I had to look at other makes/models.

We enes up getting a 2001 Nissan Xterra equipped basically the same as the 4Runner with 51k miles for $12.5k. I thinks it just about impossible to justify the premium that the Toyota brings.

[onewhippedpuppy]

$31k......damn. While I love the 4Runner and think it's the best midsized SUV you can buy, that's a lot of money for a 2010. When buying a car that can go 200k pretty easily, does it make sense to pay a premium for low mileage? Just for fun I built a new Trail model on the Toyota website that added up to just a bit over $39k MSRP.

[MBAtarga]

Originally Posted by gprsh924

I thinks it just about impossible to justify the premium that the Toyota brings.

Possibly - although if you've owned a 2001 Toyota PU truck for 8 years and have replaced a battery, PS hose and brakes/tires (like me) it might make sense.

[look 171]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

$31k......damn. While I love the 4Runner and think it's the best midsized SUV you can buy, that's a lot of money for a 2010. When buying a car that can go 200k pretty easily, does it make sense to pay a premium for low mileage? Just for fun I built a new Trail model on the Toyota website that added up to just a bit over $39k MSRP.

I really want a Trail and pretty much don't care for the lux. models. This one came up so I am thinking about it.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by look 171

I really want a Trail and pretty much don't care for the lux. models. This one came up so I am thinking about it.

What are the new ones actually selling for? When we were Tundra shopping last year they knocked a $38k MSRP truck down to $33k without me even trying to negotiate. Seems like getting a new one for a few thousand more than a used one would be worthwhile if possible.

[look 171]

Matt,

The last time I looked, they are close to 40. I really like to pay no more then 25-27000 for a use one, but not too many are available. the new body style is a bit larger then the old, so that works for us. Peraonally, I think they are jpretty ugly.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Looks like lots of SR5 options under $30k. Here's one Trail model in NV: http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2014&zip=67226&driveCodes=4WD|AWD&sellerTypes=b&maxPrice=30000&mmt=[TOYOTA[4RUN[]][]]&modelCode1=4RUN&driveCode=4WD|AWD&showcaseOwnerId=67947&makeCode1=TOYOTA&startYear=2010&maxMileage=30000&searchRadius=0&minPrice=1&listingId=338457798&listingIndex=22&Log=0

SR5 that's local to you: 2011 Toyota 4Runner 4WD SR5

Another local SR5: WoW Reduced!! 2010 Toyota 4Runner V6 SR5

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by look 171

Matt,

The last time I looked, they are close to 40. I really like to pay no more then 25-27000 for a use one, but not too many are available. the new body style is a bit larger then the old, so that works for us. Peraonally, I think they are jpretty ugly.

Here's what they bring here in snow country:

2010 4Runner SR5 4x4 Leather with 74,600 miles
Non-negotiating store, so the price is the price: $26,998
Used 2010 Toyota 4runner SR5 V6 4WD LTHR MR For Sale in Greater Minneapolis & Bloomington, MN JTEBU5JR8A5006877

And here's what $30K buys in SoCal:

2010 Porsche Cayenne V6 4x4 Leather with 70,800 miles
And they negotiate from their starting price: $29,998
2010 Porsche Cayenne BASE - Thousand Oaks California area Porsche dealer near Thousand Oaks California

I can offer this 2009 Porsche Cayenne V6 4x4 with 72,300 miles, Xenon HID, Navigation, etc.....

For $24,900 F.O.B. East Coast




I seriously can't get my head around 4Runner pricing. There's no rhyme or reason why they bring that much.....

[onewhippedpuppy]

I understand the point you are tying to convey, but damn the base model Cayenne looks goofy. One size too small wheels and a V6, blah. At least the V8 and Turbo are fast.

[look 171]

wow, thanks for the links guys. I am terrible at looking up stuff or shopping on the net.

[look 171]

while I am a big Porsche guy, but I am not sure bout the Cayenne I don't care how fast they are. I need something trouble free.

[kaisen]

Okay, how about this:

2010 Ford Explorer XLT V6 4x4
17,200 miles
Powertrain warranty for 2.2 years and 33K miles remaining
Well equipped: Power seats, SYNC, moonroof, third row seats, trailer tow, etc
Ford factory owned, no previous damage/paintwork
My Pelican price: $23,900 F.O.B. East Coast
Again, how a 4Runner is $10K more with similar miles and equipment is lost on me
Even if the 4Runner will never ever break because it's a Toyota, I can fix a lot of crap for $10K.....

[rnln]

Look 171, look at what Kaisen posted. A 4runner is similar price at a same year Cayenne. If we see you in a 4runner, I bet you that some of us will get down and beat you up

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

I understand the point you are tying to convey, but damn the base model Cayenne looks goofy. One size too small wheels and a V6, blah. At least the V8 and Turbo are fast.

Same size wheels as a 4Runner. But an eBay click away from whatever Porsche wheels your heart desires, up to 23" factory

4Runner is also V6, although the Porsche makes more 20 more horsepower (yet weighs the same), has a more sophisticated all wheel drive system, independent rear supension (vs Toy's live axle) and a 6 speed automatic (vs 5spd Toy)

A Cayenne V6 will trounce a V6 4Runner in any performance measure and equal it in off-road capabilities.

By 2010 the V6 Cayenne was pretty well sorted, not having all the issues that the V8 and Turbo models had, nor the fancy gizmos that cost a fortune to fix.

If that's the measurement, buy the Explorer

[onewhippedpuppy]

I like the new Explorer, but I'd take my old 2003 4Runner over that generation. That's a good reminder of just how much Ford has improved their products in the last couple of years.

If you get a Cayenne, you gotta go for the S model. If nothing else just because they sound really nice. For some reason the S model with the V8 seems like less of a poser mobile, the V6 model always strikes me as the Touareg with the Porsche badge.

[look 171]

Dangit, now I am confused

[kaisen]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

For some reason the S model with the V8 seems like less of a poser mobile, the V6 model always strikes me as the Touareg with the Porsche badge.

You've got to be kidding me

So if a V6 Touareg is a good vehicle, then the V6 Cayenne is not?

Who cares if you could have bought a more powerful better sounding version and spent several thousand more for it. If you're looking at other V6 CUV/SUVs, then consider a V6 Cayenne. It doesn't need to be more complicated. Anything else is pure snobbery.