Gun in bars...I just don't understand...it...

[Hawktel]

I see several open carry in a year here in SLC utah. I saw a guy with a 45 open carry at walmart just yesterday.

I felt just as safe as I did before I saw him.

[speeder]

Still waiting for an answer to this:

Quote de speeder

Metal detectors are exactly what we used when I was working the front door of a large club approx. 20 years ago...what's so difficult for you to wrap your head around that? The last thing on earth you want in a club or bar is armed patrons and not knowing who is armed or not. I'd love to hear your fantasy scenario of how having a gun in a bar would come in handy...in a crowded room full of moving people...let's hear it.

Wait....

You live in SoCal. Were you working the door of a club in California?

Yes, Los Angeles.

[KaptKaos]

It's nearly impossible to get a concealed carry permit in LA County. You can get them if you're famous or well connected, but regular folks are SOL.

Therefore, is it safe to assume that the club you were at had a lot of people illegally carrying?

[speeder]

Well, people will conceal carry If they feel the need whether it's legal or not. Plus of course there are just flat-out criminals carrying, and they don't always look the stereotypical part. There are plenty of people packing heat in L.A.

[KaptKaos]

I know. The law only keeps honest people honest. Thanks for the info.

[ben parrish]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

But you're not a law abiding citizen.

Point taken..and no, the irony doesn't go by me. My point is that in no way am I going to brandish a weapon unless it is life and death situation. Again, the criminals and whack jobs are not going to use common sense or obey the law.
I'm not paranoid, just know what can happen. I personally know two people that were beaten and mugged in a "nice area" of Atlanta, one was actually shot in the face by a teen. I am not going to be a victim without a fight.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Hawktel

I see several open carry in a year here in SLC utah. I saw a guy with a 45 open carry at walmart just yesterday.

I felt just as safe as I did before I saw him.

Open carrying doesn't bother me too much. It's the ones who skulk around hiding the fact that they are armed with a deadly weapon that bother me.

[mikeesik]

Reminds me of the scene in-LITTLE BIG MAN-
BE fantastic if someone could post the scene with the SODA POP KID and WILD BILL HICKOCK!
What could go wrong in this day and age though?

[mikeesik]

Also if I had a Gun at a bar, I'd be braggin and proving. ..."I CAN BREAK 3 BOTTLES THROWN UP IN THE AIR"!!!!

[dtw]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Open carrying doesn't bother me too much. It's the ones who skulk around hiding the fact that they are armed with a deadly weapon that bother me.

Can you help me understand this? I have a really good friend who is the same way. Other folks carrying concealed just freaks him out. I don't get it.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by dtw

Can you help me understand this? I have a really good friend who is the same way. Other folks carrying concealed just freaks him out. I don't get it.

How does your friend know someone is carrying concealed? If others can tell, you're doing it wrong. I'm sloppy about it except where prohibited, since OC is legal and common here. If I ccw past a gunbusters sign, I make sure it's 100% undetectable. What you don't know can't hurt you.

[dtw]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

How does your friend know someone is carrying concealed? If others can tell, you're doing it wrong. I'm sloppy about it except where prohibited, since OC is legal and common here. If I ccw past a gunbusters sign, I make sure it's 100% undetectable. What you don't know can't hurt you.

The concept freaks him out. We took a weekend trip a while back and he flipped out learning I had a 9mm, unloaded, locked in a case, ammunition separate. I just don't get it. Hence my question above.

[Rick Lee]

He should assume he's ALWAYS around someone who's carrying concealed. It's just a fact of life unless you've passed through a metal detector. I'm terrified of people using cell phones while driving near me. But I see it every time I'm on the road, so I just need to cope.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by dtw

Can you help me understand this? I have a really good friend who is the same way. Other folks carrying concealed just freaks him out. I don't get it.

It's called hoplophobia: "A mental aberration consisting of an unreasoning terror of gadgetry, specifically, weapons ... the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user."

[dtw]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

It's called hoplophobia: "A mental aberration consisting of an unreasoning terror of gadgetry, specifically, weapons ... the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user."

That's the thing though, he says he's fine with open carry. Concealment is what gets him. Even the 9mm with action open, magazine out, locked in a case...learning that was in the car with us spooked him.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally Posted by dtw

he says he's fine with open carry

He says he is. I strongly doubt it--a gun locked in a case without ammunition (leaving aside the fact that it's as useless as a car in your garage with an empty gas tank) is safer than having a cop standing next to you. He simply suffers from an irrational belief that guns possess free will.

Read "Raging Against Self Defense". It goes into some depth about the various issues hoplophobes are dealing with.

[red-beard]

BSJ: That is a great article. I need to print that out and keep copies around. It shows exactly the behaviors and responses here.