Rant: How hard is it to move to a new job???

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

Really, how hard is it? I have turned down three other positions/offers (did not provide for moving and/or were dead-end/zero promotion jobs) in favor of waiting for this one.

Seven months of waiting.

I have offers in writing and verbal, nothing signed. Cannot get a signed offer, it is a month (at a minimum) overdue.

I am supposed to be starting in three weeks.

I do not have a work location (city, state).

Moving benefits have possibly been eviscerated. I do not know for sure but who knows with these things....

It is a #@$*&(*#$ job that few people would even do, the pool of possible people is rather small, and the education and experience requirements are complex.

I have an appointment with their HR on the phone later this week to discuss what is going on. Talk about wishing you had taken a different #$@&(#@$ job.

Yes, I am purposely vague. And agry. But somehow feel better by ranting in writing.

[stomachmonkey]

How stable is the company, industry?

Two possibilities, they are having financial issues or they are just a screwed up organization.

Either way, the likelihood that you get treated better once you are finally an employee is slim to none.

Based on your limited info I'm not sure how hard I'd be pushing for this gig to come through.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Until you have a written offer, you have nothing. Don't put other offers on hold or tell them "no" until you have that.

[Zeke]

That's insane. You should be allowed a month to look for a place. Ask Schumi as he has moved 2wice for work.

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

Very stable, cash flow is not an issue.

Screwed up org, brand new HR Rep, new HR Mgr, new Mgr.

Other jobs I might have turned down anyway after finding out more about them BUT I would/should have been more actively looking... Water under the bridge. Move forward and see what happens. If the move is eviscerated then they can find another person. I'm just angry right now and Wife is upset at this process. She would like to look for a job as well.

[onewhippedpuppy]

HR is worthless, it's really quite simple. I've been involved in similar deals where HR took MONTHS to process simple paperwork or get a requisition approved. My younger sister in law was considering majoring in HR for college, I told her she was far too useful.

[jyl]

Start looking . . . seven months is too long for simple incompetence, how about there is something coming unhitched about the position or requirement and they figure you can be the last to know . . .

[Brando]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

HR is worthless, it's really quite simple. I've been involved in similar deals where HR took MONTHS to process simple paperwork or get a requisition approved. My younger sister in law was considering majoring in HR for college, I told her she was far too useful.

True in most organizations. HR is rather useless and great at slowing down process. However, the one time you need them you're glad you did (most times).

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Until you have a written offer, you have nothing. Don't put other offers on hold or tell them "no" until you have that.

I would add to the written offer letter a completed background check as well. I've seen a few people get and offer and give two weeks only to fail the background check later. The checks are getting exhaustive these days.

[aigel]

You don't have a hiring manager you can call directly to see WTF is up?

Sounds seriously screwed up. I am with JYL - I'd start looking elsewhere pronto. It may be bad to be going through the hiring process at such a dysfunct organization, but imagine once you get there!!!

I have been hired slowly (not as bad as described) twice in my career. Two things were the reason:

1)
A slow organization. Everything flowed like molasses, including your career once you got there.
2)
An organization in a churn. Come on board and "HOLD ON". This is much preferred by me over 1), but still can be scary depending on the situation.

Good Luck!

G

[aigel]

Originally Posted by Scott R

I would add to the written offer letter a completed background check as well. I've seen a few people get and offer and give two weeks only to fail the background check later. The checks are getting exhaustive these days.

Sound advice. Never count on the new job until the background check is complete and you have written confirmation (email) by HR or the hiring manager.

G

[Groesbeck Hurricane]

Believe me, if I could not pass an extensive background check I would not be in this industry in this line of work. Same company so they already have all that stuff anyway. It is just incompetence, budget devices, and a general apathy, aparently. Hiring Mgr referred back to HR. HR Mgr responded to my e-mail to tell me they never received my e-mail. Interesting. I also have more experience, certifications, education, and background than they were expecting I do believe.

Last telecon they were all bubbles, smoke, and we want you here next week. We are getting on it right away. Then they missed their own deadlines and failed to answer their own questions or mine about what they needed to do.

Sounds like a clear message to me.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Quote de onewhippedpuppy

HR is worthless, it's really quite simple. I've been involved in similar deals where HR took MONTHS to process simple paperwork or get a requisition approved. My younger sister in law was considering majoring in HR for college, I told her she was far too useful.

True in most organizations. HR is rather useless and great at slowing down process. However, the one time you need them you're glad you did (most times).

Still waiting on that one time.