Hunters!!whats your most universal rifle?

[ODDJOB UNO]

thats really really REALLY SUPER SECRET! appears to be best of both worlds with the lil threaded on piece. what would be cool is to find a can/machine a can..............and make it a .270 whispering ninja silent death from afar rifle.

the kritters in the HERD/POD/COVEY/GROUP/GANG etc would never know what hit yer tagged species when ya lit it off. and they would not SPOOK!


ya do realize that an earthquake, will make all yer rifles fall off peg board on to the ground possibly breaking optics(YUCK!) think about it.


next on the leupold optic, i see yer sunshade. have you a honeycomb anti sun glinter, shade on the end. if NOT................WHY NOT? why ? because when you point yer rifle in the sun, even with sunshade, you will have a reflective GLINT, risking yer position being given away, relative to the target SEEING YOU!

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by ODDJOB UNO

thats really really REALLY SUPER SECRET! appears to be best of both worlds with the lil threaded on piece. what would be cool is to find a can/machine a can..............and make it a .270 whispering ninja silent death from afar rifle.

the kritters in the HERD/POD/COVEY/GROUP/GANG etc would never know what hit yer tagged species when ya lit it off. and they would not SPOOK!


ya do realize that an earthquake, will make all yer rifles fall off peg board on to the ground possibly breaking optics(YUCK!) think about it.


next on the leupold optic, i see yer sunshade. have you a honeycomb anti sun glinter, shade on the end. if NOT................WHY NOT? why ? because when you point yer rifle in the sun, even with sunshade, you will have a reflective GLINT, risking yer position being given away, relative to the target SEEING YOU!

Why so snarky?

[ODDJOB UNO]

NOT being snarky at all, just observing. the gizmo that is on the end of yer .270 is all well and good. but to what end??? its a .270. theres no recoil really, so why a muzzle brake? as far as flash hiding to what end? as far as a compensator? to what end?

anytime you or anybody add something to a barrel you have CHANGED HARMONICS! and THATS A BIG DEAL!

your POA and your POI WILL CHANGE!

now i imagine whomever built this muzzle brake/compensator/flash hider was truly trying to find the best of all worlds. and more than likely he mfg'd his own secret ammo recipe to group best. but since that recipe is probably lost to the winds.............now you are at the mercy of box ammo accuracy.


heres the simple basic recipe on a match service semi auto rifle, and it applies basically to all others. ie. this is where ya put yer hard earned bucks to better accuracy.

1) hand fit sights(iron) so each click does move sight up or down (1) click and not (2) clicks

2) hand fit /jewel/polish trigger for a nice crisp break. how many pounds of trigger pull? thats up to you and only you.

3) BED THE RIFLE! so the stock does NOT touch the barrel EVAR! HUGE BEYOND HUGE! once again if stock touches barrel anywhere from receiver towards muzzle end..............YOU HAVE CHANGED HARMONICS!

4) if scoped...........then use the precision scope install tools so ya get everything perfect. just slapping a scope into some rings in 5 minutes aint gonna git it! if its a 30mm scope than ya use a 30mm precision dowel , if 1" scope than ya use a 1" precision dowel and lap yer rings. this gets especially important if ya have a quick detachable QD scope mt so ya gain REPEATABILITY ie yer ZERO DOES NOT CHANGE TAKING SCOPE ON AND OFF MULTIPLE TIMES! if ya doubt me??? than look at HK's 90(91-93-94-PSG-1) series of rifles QD scope mount and what that entails to place a scope on and off a gazillion times. and HAVE IT RETAIN ZERO!

re: harmonics...............just picture in your mind an oscilliscope and a radio wave going up and down. thats exactly what occurs everytime you fire a round. once bullet leaves chamber on its journey down the barrel it is going up and down, no different than a radio wave. when you touch the barrel from leaning barrel on a truck bed a rest a ANYTHING.............you have changed harmonics.

you never see a match rifle with anything attached to barrel. bipods NEVAR attach to a barrel. so when ya go to shoot always rest the stock on object NOT YER BARREL!

now when ya add a flash hider/muzzle brake/compensator/even a can(suppwessor) you WILL CHANGE POI! unless rifle was designed from the get go for such item.

guys are complaining about accuracy going away on latest greatest state of the art SCAR 16 and 17's due to adding cans or changing flash hiders /compensators etc.

so the best move for that .270 is to..............go back to stock. ie whack the end off recrown it and you will gain accuracy. or start looking at recipes for reloading from the era that rifle was designed and maybe you will find what works best with what ya have on the end of the barrel

hitting a pie plate at a hundred yards is one thing. hitting "X" at a 1000yds is a whole nuther enchilada! try a 1000yds iron sighted!

oh by the way.............TENNEBREX i think is the name for the ANTI GLINT sunshade. they either snap in or thread in if yer leupold has a threaded objective side. check their website. they are worth every penny. they also make them for binos and spotting scopes.

[mikesride]

So..... Are .243 rounds universally available? This seems to me to be a good place to start. As .22 rifles are "almost free" we can buy a .22 and a .243. We both can learn on the .22, I can move on to the .243 early on and possibly advance to a 308 or a 30.06 and Stacey can move up to the .243. Does this make sense to you guys?
Oh....how's this for logic, because I was born before Jan 01 1971 I can legally own a gun without passing any hunter safety courses? Sounds ridiculous, I have almost zero experience but here's your gun!!! Anyway we will both be taking the classes before we buy anything.

[Taz's Master]

That isn't a bad plan. An awful lot of deer have fallen to a .243. I wouldn't hunt anything bigger than a deer (although I'm sure there are people who have killed elk, moose and grizzlies with one and swear by a .243, I wouldn't) with a .243. It does not really meet your most universal definition, but it is a fine hunting tool. Get something decent that you'd give to your grandkids, and you won't lose on the deal, even if you decide to go bigger later on.

[aigel]

Originally Posted by mikesride

So..... Are .243 rounds universally available? This seems to me to be a good place to start. As .22 rifles are "almost free" we can buy a .22 and a .243. We both can learn on the .22, I can move on to the .243 early on and possibly advance to a 308 or a 30.06 and Stacey can move up to the .243. Does this make sense to you guys?

Yes, .243 is a very common round that you can get at any place selling ammo in deer country. It is right up there with the 30-30, 270 and 30-06 in terms of availability. This is a big must for me, in case I find myself out of ammo away from home. It usually also gives you more choices in loads and prices are also less on more common calibers.

And yes, your plan makes a lot of sense, as it is pretty much what I had suggested.

As far as hunters safety goes, definitely take the course. It will also be great for the GF - it is as much a hunting safety course as it is a gun safety and gun basics course.

Have fun and post up when you put the first holes into paper and again, once the first deer is down!

Cheers,

G